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NateShrdr7's picture
NateShrdr7

Hi everyone, 

My bagels are turning out airy and fluffy, even though my dough hydration is 50 percent and I only rest for ten minutes after shaping. Could this be because I struggle degassing the dough enough? 

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gavinc

English muffins baked today. I haven't made EM's before so I used 1/2 recipe from King Arthur site to make 8 muffins. I hand mixed with a Danish whisk. Very slack dough much different from my regular sourdough bread dough and baked in a caste iron skillet on the stovetop. Looking forward to bacon and egg muffin tomorrow morning. Cheers.

 

 

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Rafe

Well, that took a while!

As there will be way too much to take in, in one sitting considering what was included in my last blog post Bakers Percent Re-Imagined back in June last year and how long it took me to get to the finish line. I’ve decided to break it down into readable chunks so It should be easier to follow.

From the original “To-Do” list

  • Create Separate ingredient sections for Soakers, Sourdough & Levain, and Preferments (Pâte Fermentée, Biga, Poolish, Sponge, etc.). Main recipe with a variety of flours, wet & dry additions.

Listing what was included in the sections wasn’t a major issue, how the lists interacted with sources, searches & nice-to-haves was. Many iterations followed soon after to which included not just the item name, but customary to metric conversion for each item, its measure type and typical water content in its own column.

All of these created more work to include later for online sources, fractions, alternate bakeware, conversion to-from formulas and built-in automatic updates. All part of the growing “To-Do” list.

Yes, the picture doesn’t look much, but it forms the backbone of data entry. Each of the “green cells” is changeable to suit how you’d measure. The “grey cells” are changeable too, (In a different section). Both have the effect of updating the sheet as a constant. Change in one place and it changes in several other places.

 

Part 3 to follow.... fairly soon 

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pmccool

This is what 14+ pounds of PSB dough looks like after it is turned into sandwich rolls and a loaf.  The loaf was egg-washed, the rolls were not.  The rolls are for a church picnic tomorrow. 

I used Mark Sinclair’s Back Home Bakery recipe to make a double batch.

Paul

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Benito

We are visiting my partner’s sister this long weekend so of course I want to bring a loaf for them.  I was back working this week, I’m semi retired so I’ll do locums to cover for my old colleagues at the clinic when they go on vacations.  I get to pick and choose how much I work and I enjoy doing this kind of work since people are happy to be able to see a physician when something urgent comes up and theirs is away.  Anyhow, because of work, I had to compress my prep time, so instead of a pure sourdough leavening for this loaf I did a hybrid with 0.2% IDY added.  Of course this works just as well without the IDY but in a pinch when I didn’t have time IDY can speed up the process.  The flavour might not be quite a complex but since there are so many inclusions and flavours from the dairy and whole wheat, no one will complain I’m sure.  Oh I also keep forgetting that I have a bottle of toasted walnut oil, I remembered this time and added that to the dough for more toasted nutty flavour while reducing the butter by the same percentage.

This loaf didn’t suffer from the irregular heights of the lobes as I made each lobe a bit longer and skinnier.

Optional IDY 0.2% = 0.75 g 

For one 9x4x4” Pullman pan loaf.

 

The times below are for this bread without the optional IDY.  With the IDY the total fermentation time after the mix was fully complete was only 4.5 hours perfect for a day that I was working in the morning.  I had time in the evening to bake and cool the loaf enough to place it in a bag so I could keep it fresh for the next day.

Instructions

Levain

Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 300% growth. 

Press down with your knuckles or silicone spatula to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At a temperature of 76-78ºF, it typically takes up to 10-12 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.  For my starter I typically see 3-3.5 times increase in size at peak.  The levain will smell sweet with only a mild tang.

 

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on medium heat, stir the milk and whole wheat flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until well thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl.  Theoretically it should reach 65ºC (149ºF) but I don’t find I need to measure the temperature as the tangzhong gelatinizes at this temperature.  You can prepare this the night before and refrigerate it, ensure that it is covered to prevent it from drying out.

 

If you plan on using a stand mixer to mix this dough, set up a Bain Marie and use your stand mixer’s bowl to prepare the tangzhong.

 

Dough

In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk (consider holding back 10 g of milk and adding later if this is the first time you’re making this), egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain.  Mix and then break up the levain into many smaller pieces.  Next add the flour.  I like to use my spatula to mix until there aren’t many dry areas.  Allow the flour to hydrate (fermentolyse) for 20-30 minutes.  Mix on low speed and then medium speed until moderate gluten development this may take 5-10 mins.  You may want to scrape the sides of the bowl during the first 5 minutes of mixing.  Next add room temperature butter one pat at a time.  The dough may come apart, be patient, continue to mix until it comes together before adding in more butter.  Next drizzle in the toasted walnut oil.  Again, knead until well incorporated.  You will want to check gluten development by windowpane during this time and stop mixing when you get a good windowpane.  You should be able to pull a good windowpane, not quite as good as a white flour because the bran will interrupt the windowpane somewhat.  Add the seeds and mix again until they are well distributed.

 

On the counter, shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 2 - 4 hours at 82ºF.  There should be some rise visible at this stage.

 

You can next place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier to shape.  Remember, if you do so the final proof will take longer.  Alternatively, you can do a cold retard in the fridge overnight, however, you may find that this increases the tang in your bread.

 

Prepare your pans by greasing them with butter or line with parchment paper.  

 

Lightly oil the top of the dough. Scrape the dough out onto a clean counter top and divide it into four. I like to weigh them to have equal sized lobes. Shape each tightly into a boule, allow to rest 5 mins. Using an oiled rolling pin roll each ball out and then letterfold. Turn 90* and using a rolling pin roll each out to at least 8”. Letterfold again from the sides so you have a long narrow dough. Then using a rolling pin, roll flatter but keeping the dough relatively narrow.  The reason to do this extra letterfold is that the shorter fatter rolls when placed in the pan will not touch the sides of the pan.  This allows the swirled ends to rise during final proof, this is only done for appearance sake and is not necessary.  Next roll each into a tight roll with some tension. Arrange the rolls of dough inside your lined pan alternating the direction of the swirls. This should allow a greater rise during proof and in the oven.

 

Cover and let proof for  4-6 hours at a warm temperature.  I proof at 82°F.  You will need longer than 4-6 hours if you chilled your dough for shaping. I proof until the top of the dough comes to within 1 cm of the top edge of the pan.

 

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash.  Just prior to baking brush with the egg-milk wash again.

 

Bake the loaves for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190ºF, rotating as needed to get even browning. Shield your loaf if it gets brown early in the baking process. After 50 mins remove the bread from the pan and bake a further 10 mins by placing the loaf directly in the oven on the rack with the oven turned down to 325ºF

My index of bakes.

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Benito

It was really strange that I had stopped adding nuts or seeds to my bread for quite a long time.  Now that I have started to add inclusions again, it reminds me how much I love them.  Running low on bread, this is what I decided to do for this all wholewheat loaf.  The lobes didn’t come out that evenly when baked, this does happen sometimes when they are shaped a bit too fat, it doesn’t affect the flavor but does make the mountains of Hokkaido look a bit wonky LOL.

I’ve been extremely pleased that increasing the percentage of tangzhong used can offset the need for VWG.  I no longer add VWG to these bakes and yet they bake up nice and tall.  Reducing the flour to milk ratio of the tangzhong from 1:5 to 1:2 has allowed this increased percentage.  At the higher ratio there wouldn’t have been any liquid left for the dough to mix if the percentage flour was 20%.  This change has also made the crumb softer and fluffier.  Gelatinizing the starch in the tangzhong really has some nice effects.

For one 9x4x4” Pullman pan loaf.

 

Instructions

Levain

Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 300% growth. 

Press down with your knuckles or silicone spatula to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At a temperature of 76-78ºF, it typically takes up to 10-12 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.  For my starter I typically see 3-3.5 times increase in size at peak.  The levain will smell sweet with only a mild tang.

 

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on medium heat, stir the milk and whole wheat flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until well thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl.  Theoretically it should reach 65ºC (149ºF) but I don’t find I need to measure the temperature as the tangzhong gelatinizes at this temperature.  You can prepare this the night before and refrigerate it, ensure that it is covered to prevent it from drying out.

 

If you plan on using a stand mixer to mix this dough, set up a Bain Marie and use your stand mixer’s bowl to prepare the tangzhong.

 

Dough

In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk (consider holding back 10 g of milk and adding later if this is the first time you’re making this), egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain.  Mix and then break up the levain into many smaller pieces.  Next add the flours.  I like to use my spatula to mix until there aren’t many dry areas.  Allow the flour to hydrate (fermentolyse) for 20-30 minutes.  Mix on low speed and then medium speed until moderate gluten development this may take 5-10 mins.  You may want to scrape the sides of the bowl during the first 5 minutes of mixing.  Next add room temperature butter one pat at a time.  The dough may come apart, be patient, continue to mix until it comes together before adding in more butter.  Again, knead until well incorporated.  You will want to check gluten development by windowpane during this time and stop mixing when you get a good windowpane.  You should be able to pull a good windowpane, not quite as good as a white flour because the bran will interrupt the windowpane somewhat.   Add the walnuts and seeds, then mix until well distributed.

 

On the counter, shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 2 - 4 hours at 82ºF.  There should be some rise visible at this stage.

 

You can next place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier to shape.  Remember, if you do so the final proof will take longer.  Alternatively, you can do a cold retard in the fridge overnight, however, you may find that this increases the tang in your bread.

 

Prepare your pans by greasing them with butter or line with parchment paper.  

 

Lightly oil the top of the dough. Scrape the dough out onto a clean counter top and divide it into four. I like to weigh them to have equal sized lobes. Shape each tightly into a boule, allow to rest 5 mins. Using an oiled rolling pin roll each ball out and then letterfold. Turn 90* and using a rolling pin roll each out to at least 8”. Letterfold again from the sides so you have a long narrow dough. Then using a rolling pin, roll flatter but keeping the dough relatively narrow.  The reason to do this extra letterfold is that the shorter fatter rolls when placed in the pan will not touch the sides of the pan.  This allows the swirled ends to rise during final proof, this is only done for appearance sake and is not necessary.  Next roll each into a tight roll with some tension. Arrange the rolls of dough inside your lined pan alternating the direction of the swirls. This should allow a greater rise during proof and in the oven.

 

Cover and let proof for  4-6 hours at a warm temperature.  I proof at 82°F.  You will need longer than 4-6 hours if you chilled your dough for shaping. I proof until the top of the dough comes to within 1 cm of the top edge of the pan.

 

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash.  Just prior to baking brush with the egg-milk wash again.

 

Bake the loaves for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190ºF, rotating as needed to get even browning. Shield your loaf if it gets brown early in the baking process. After 50 mins remove the bread from the pan and bake a further 10 mins by placing the loaf directly in the oven on the rack with the oven turned down to 325ºF.

My index of bakes.

Nourl's picture
Nourl

In my 2nd try I used flour type 55 and the irish butter kerrygold....I can say that the taste was way better and layers as well but it was a bit salty :( my bad

 

               

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susierose

We just moved to Santa Fe, NM a little over a month ago. We moved from Washington State, where I’ve been making sourdough for years without any issues. I was even teaching workshops on it. I have a 183 year old starter. I knew high altitude would affect my bread baking, so I have taken every precaution and step to ensure my bread would continue to come out as nicely as it did in Washington. Here’s my issue: my bread is so full of wild ambient yeast that the wild ambient bacteria that is responsible for the “tang” in sourdough is indiscernible. I’ve done everything to retard the yeast and encourage the bacterial growth: lower hydration in my starter, lower hydration in my dough, bulk fermentation for up to 3 days, but still, all I get is a beautiful, fluffy loaf of white bread-no sour flavor at all. I make sourdough so I can eat it; the acetic (and lactic) acids in the wild bacteria and yeast break down the strands of gluten in the protein in wheat flour. This bread is so full of lactic acid from the healthy activity of the yeast that it really bothers my stomach. Has anyone had this issue, and if so, do you have any suggestions to rectify this problem? Any input and help would be greatly appreciated!

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aly-hassabelnaby

Hello everyone,

I would like to divert your attention to my blog https://tableya.net/ and my "The Breads of Egypt" project, where I attempt to document the variety of bread in Egypt with accurate and well-tested recipes.

I have a few recipes on it already and there's a few more planned. Would love to get some feedback from some seasoned bakers if you have the time to try out a recipe. Even if you're not inclined to, you might just learn a thing or two about Egypt.

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yozzause

 Fakes and Dates another early morning test bake  of Lupin flour and Lupin flakes @ 25% and dates @25% too

 

 

 

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