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bmuir1616

The proper use of starter from frig to oven

Hi. I am new to the site and love what I see so far. I have a sourdough starter going and it is in the frig. I am confused on how to treat it in order to make sourdough bread on a Saturday. Here is what the current plan is gleaned from reviwing past posts (comments welcome):

  1. It is now Thursday night about 11:00PM here in Michigan.
  2. The started was refreshed last Sunday and put in the frig.
  3. I plan on taking it out of the frig, taking a cup out adding in two cups of flour (10 oz) and adding 11 oz of water and letting it sit at room temperature over night.
  4. Tomorrow morning (Friday), I will use 1 cup starter with 10 oz flour and 11 oz water and let it stand at room temperature all day while I am at work.
  5. Friday evening I will make the pre-ferment using a cup of the starter (or whatever the recipe calls for) and whatever flour and water are needed and letting that set at room temperature overnight. I will use some of the leftover starter to rebuild the starter, leave it out overnight and put it back in the fig on Saturday for next week.
  6. Saturday morning I will make the dough; let it rise; shape; let it rise; and bake.

Will this work?

Thanks for the help.

Bill

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Marni

Help storing/freezing starter, please

I need to store my two starters that are just about one month old.  One is rye and the other is pretty much white (I sometimes add a bit of rye or whole wheat)  They are going to be completely ignored for ten to twelve days.  I would like to freeze them.  I've read that I can dry and freeze starter and rehydrate later.  Has anyone here tried that?  I would like to find instructions for preparing, rehydrating and using a frozen starter.  Now that I finally have working ones I don't want to kill them off.  Thanks for any help.

Marni

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Eli

Sourdough Loaf

this is my first sourdough. I created a starter sometime ago. Didn't get the crumb I wanted but it taste great. Will keep practicing.

Eli

Sourdough

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metropical

couche cloth - what to use?

other than the $20 KA flax couche, what kind of cloth should be used?  I bought some cotton muslin, but that doesn't seem to be it.  Is flax cloth a fabric one should be able to find at the local fabric store?

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hokietoner

Firm starter acetic or lactic? Conflicting sources.

I've seen several places on this forum say that a stiffer starter encourages the creation of acetic acid which causes a more sour sourdough. (particularly here: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/1040)

However, in Reinhart's "Crust and Crumb" he says several times the opposite:

"[The starter] uses a firm mother rather than a sponge, which promotes the growth of the less sour lactic bacteria rather than the acetic bacteria that trive in the wetter medium..." (p79)

"What makes this a San Francisco-style bread is a sour rather than mild starter, a wet rather than firm mother sponge,..." (p76)

"The thicker sponge encourages more of the sweeter lactic acids, while still promoting sourness. As a rule, lactic acid-producing organisms prefer drier sponges and acetic acid (sour) producers like wetter, looser, more oxygen-rich sponges." (p73)

So you can see this isn't a typo as he says it many times. What do you all think?

 

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Monica

Malt loaf update

Well, I tried the un-yeasted malt loaf recipe listed on this site a few days ago.  It had good flavor and crumb, but it is not the one I remember.  The one I use to get in the UK was very dark, almost black, and sticky delicious!  Still looking for THAT recipe if anyone can help.  I haven't tried the one with yeast, but by looking at the ingredients, I know it won't be dark, sticky, and rich.  I will try it next week however.  Today I made richman's brioche from BBA!

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lisah

Johnson & Wales Univ. Artisan Bread Course

Hi Everyone,

I finally attended the Johnson & Wales Artisan Bread Course in Charlotte this weekend.  WOW!!!!!  I am so excited.  It was a dream come true for me and it was all that I hoped it would be and much more.  If anyone has any questions at all about the course, I'm happy to share.

We used the professional steam injected deck ovens, a steam injected convection oven, and we made a variety of doughs including straight, biga and poolish.  And the best of all was learning how to make that incredible crumb with big big holes.  That was a big win for me.

As I have time, I'll start posting some of the more important learnings for me so that you might find something new to try.

Lisa H.

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PaddyL

Sourdough in chocolate cake?

I'fe found an old sourdough cookbook I'd forgot I had, and there's a recipe for sourdough chocolate cake, sourdough cookies, sourdough sweets.  Why?  I can see it in breadmaking, but desserts?

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shakleford

100% Sprouted Wheat Bread

Almost every weekend, I make one loaf of what I think of as "sandwich bread".  As you might expect from this nomenclature, this is the loaf that I'll be using for sandwiches in the coming week.  I generally pick recipes that are reliable, fairly plain, and light enough to make a good sandwich (admittedly, I like dense breads, so I might be less strict about this last criterion than many of you).  My more experimental recipes, or those including fruit or nuts or lots of herbs or other goodies, or those that are just extremely dense, fall under what I think of as my "dinner bread" category.

This week's sandwich bread was a 100% sprouted wheat bread from The Laurel's Kitchen Bread Book.  My first attempt at this recipe was a few weeks ago.  Since that was my first time sprouting grains I didn't really know what to expect, and for some reason thought that I would be able to easily chop/mash the sprouts by hand.  This didn't work out so well and I was instead forced to grind my sprouts in small batches in an old coffee grinder.  The resulting mess (I hesitate to use the term "dough") rose only very slightly, giving me my first real brick.  It was an extremely tasty brick, but even so, would not have made very impressive sandwiches -- fortunately, that loaf was intended as a dinner bread, so I was able to enjoy it anyway.

Since then I have acquired a food processor to help chop my sprouts, so I decided to try the sprout bread again this weekend, and go all-out by using it as a sandwich bread.  Beginning Wednesday evening, I started soaking 1.25 pounds of hard red wheat berries.  Sprouting is pretty simple; you rinse the berries around three times per day, and other than that, just let them soak on your counter.  Just the same, I get a kick out of this part, as it sort of lets me combine another of my hobbies, gardening, with my baking.

By Saturday morning, the sprouts were just beginning to show.  I drained and dried the berries and stuck them in the refrigerator in anticipation of the heating they would experience when I began to process them.  A few hours later, I combined them with some honey, yeast, and salt in my food processor and gave it its inaugural run.  I initially planned to process half at a time, but it turned out that there was plenty of room for all of it.

Having never used a food processor in my bread-baking before, I was a bit nervous, but things worked out very well.  I processed in increments of around 20 seconds, between which I would scrape the dough together, break up any larger pieces, and check the temperature.  I stopped when the dough was circling around on top of the blades rather than being mixed any further.  At this point, it was still a bit below room temperature and passed the windowpane test with flying colors.

Ground Sprouts

After this, I kneaded for a few minutes, more to get a feel for the dough and to pick out a few whole wheat berries that had stuck under the food processor blade than for any real need to develop the gluten further.  The dough was somewhat sticky, but certainly manageable.  The texture was coarser than dough made out of flour, but still relatively smooth.

After I finished kneading, I put the dough through the two rises and proof standard in Laurel's approach to bread-baking.  Below is an image of the dough just before it began proofing.  As you can see, it is a fairly large amount of dough for one loaf.  This is because sprout bread is not known for its spectacular rises -- in fact, Peter Reinhart recommends significant added gluten as an (optional) ingredient in the similar recipe in Whole Grain Breads.  I'm not necessarily opposed to using gluten (though it does feel a bit like cheating), but wanted to try the recipe at least once without it.

Sprout Bread Proof

Up to the point that I put the loaf in the oven, the rises had been adequate but not spectacular, so I was not sure what to expect for a final result.  Fortunately, oven spring came to the rescue again.  While the below result will not set any records for lightness, I was quite happy with how much it rose for a 100% sprout bread.  What my lousy camera cannot show is the beautiful texture in the crust from the large pieces of bran.

I won't actually cut into this loaf until tomorrow, but right now I am cautiously optimistic that it was a success.  The appearance of the crust gives me high hopes of a terrific texture throughout the loaf, and I'll be pleased if the taste is anything like my previous attempt at this recipe.  The only possible problem I see right now is that the crust does seem a bit tough - next time, I may try cooking with steam.  I'm also interested in sprouting other grains along with the wheat, but would probably not do this in a 100% sprouted grain bread, or at least not one that I planned to make sandwiches with.

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Monica

malt loaf

Living in England for several years I fell in love with the small, slightly sticky, malt loaf.  It is a dark rich "tea" bread.  I have never been able to find a recipe for one.  Anyone in England, or anywhere else, have one please?  It is a small loaf and sometimes had raisens in it.  Monica

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