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Sims

At work we where buying that burger buns description from outside now they want those rolls to be made on our own how can I decode that bun recipe to create a soft potato burger rolls recipe close to or more than please help 

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tpassin

I make a delicious masa harina skillet cornbread.  The masa harina vs cornmeal brings a tasty, subtle flavor. because I like it so much, I've been thinking about trying a sourdough bread with masa harina, and now I've tried it.  I was surprised how easy it was.

There have been some other posts on this site about cornmeal or corn flour bread, and now I'm adding my own.  First, some pictures, then the formula.

All baker's percentages for this formula are based on the added flour not including flour in the starter. This flour added up to 10 oz, a small loaf but good for experimenting.

- Masa harina: 35%

- KA bread flour: 65%

- starter (white, 100% hydration): 20%

- liquid: about 100% (see below)

- salt: 2%

- beaten egg: 15% (1 US large egg)

- sugar: 3%

The hydration is unsure because I started at 85% (masa harina can really soak up the water) and added "enough" more without actually measuring it.  The added liquid was going to be milk, but I didn't have any so I used a mixture of half-and-half with water (for non-US readers, half-and-half is a near-cream with fat content between  light cream and milk).

The egg is there to provide some extra structure to try to make up for the lack of gluten in the masa harina.

Mix by hand, rest 1/2 hour, initial knead and stretch.  3 S&F sessions during the first part of the 5 1/2 hour bulk ferment.  Form the loaf, proof 1 hour, bake with steam at 450 deg, reducing to 430 after 20 minutes.  Baked 36 minutes to an internal temperature of 208 deg F.

This is basically my standard day-in, day-out sourdough process.

I didn't know how long to proof for since with the masa harina in the dough I knew its properties would be different from a wheat bread. In the end, the load depressed without springing back when I gently touched it with my finger, but I thought it could go a little longer so I gave it another 10 or 15 minutes.

You can see the loaf developed fabulous ears and had a good amount of expansion.  The crumb is surprisingly open, although the loaf is on the dense side.  It weighed in at 18 oz, whereas an all-purpose flour loaf of this size would be about 16 oz.  Maybe it's the 1.5 oz of egg...

The bread slices well. It has a mild pleasant taste with the corn obvious but not overwhelming.  The crust is chewy rather than crisp or crunchy (despite its appearance).  The crumb is very chewy (not tough, but it stays in the mouth as you chew) so thin slices would be best.

I'm very happy with the way it turned out, the dough was pleasant and easy to work with, and I will probably increase the masa harina content next time to (gulp) 50%.

 

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Benito

Inspired by Tony (CalBeachBaker) I decided to make a batch of taralli this evening.  I made minor changes such as subbing in 10% whole red fife flour and using rosemary and ground peppercorns instead of fennel seeds.  They are really easy to make and quite enjoyable to eat.  I’d reduce the rosemary from 8 g to perhaps 6 g in the next batch as the rosemary was quite strong.

AP flour 260 g

Whole Red Fife 30 g (or any other whole grain or use all AP flour)

Sea salt 7 g

Rosemary 8 g

Ground peppercorns 1.5 g

White Wine 140 g

Olive oil 54 g

 

Rosemary was a bit too strong, reduce to 6 g and increase the ground peppercorns.

 

Boil salted water in a large skillet.

 

Preheat the oven to 375°F with a rack in the center of the oven.

 

To the bowl of your food processor, add all the dry ingredients (flours, salt, herbs/spices).  Process for several seconds to distribute everything evenly.

 

With the food processor running drizzle in the oil and wine in a steady stream.  Once all the liquid has been added continue to run the food processor until the the mixture forms a dough.

 

Remove your dough from the food processor and knead it by hand a few times to smooth it out.  You should have a smooth soft somewhat tacky dough ball.

 

The recipe makes about 25 Taralli.  If you wish to make them evenly sized you’ll want to weight your dough to determine the weight of each dough you’ll need for each Taralli.  Once you have divided the dough, roll each out with slightly tapered ends.  Form a circle pressing the ends together.

 

Once the water is boiling, add several Taralli at a time to the pot, each time swirling the water so they don’t stick to the bottom of the pot or to each other.  Don’t add too many otherwise the temperature of the water will fall too much.  I boiled mine in two batches.  The taralli will float at the top of the water once they are ready to be removed.  Using a slotted spoon remove them and place them in a single layer on a kitchen towel to absorb excess water.  

 

Once they are all done and the oven is ready, bake them at 375°F for 30-35 mins until they are a golden brown.  Let them cool then store them in an airtight container.

 My index of bakes.

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rgreenberg2000

I made up a large batch of my Cheddar/Thyme bread Sunday for customers.  I just love this bread!  I find it fun to mix in the inclusions, as it breaks up the monotony of just folding. :)  I had to add an extra baking day this week, as this formula has become quite popular!  My daughter made sure that I baked an extra for us to have, too. :)

Formula (percentages inclusive of flour/water in levain):

Bread Flour (CM ABC+) 60%

AP Flour (Ardent) 30%

CM Red Spring (fresh milled) 5%

CM White Winter (fresh milled) 5%

Sharp Cheddar, shredded 20%

Thyme, dried .5%

Water 77%

Salt 2%

Levain 20%

I mix together everything except the salt until all is moistened, then let rest for 30 minutes.  After 30 minutes I add the salt (pinch in with fingers), then stretch/slap fold about 10 times.  Rest 25 minutes, perform coil folds (usually twice around), then rest again for 25 minutes.  If the dough is feeling strong, I'll add inclusions now, otherwise just coil fold again and rest for 25.  Inclusions go in now if not before.  I add the inclusions by covering half the dough, folding over, flatten a bit, cover half the dough, fold over, repeat until all inclusions are in.  This counts as my fold for this time period.  Perform another coil fold or two on 25 minute intervals as needed.

Total bulk on these loaves was just under four hours with a dough temp of ~80-81° (it was hot.)  Divided @ 1kg and pre-shaped.  Rested while I prepped my bannetons, then shaped, rolled in WW flour/rice flour @ 50/50 mix, rested at RT for 30 minutes, then into fridge.  Baked @ 475° after a 16 hour retarded proof, 15 minutes steam, 25 minutes without.

Man this bread always makes the house smell amazing!  The aroma of the baking cheese and thyme is intoxicating!

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CalBeachBaker

Today's bake: Jalapeño Cheese Bread

Source: Sourdough Recipes for Rustic Fermented Breads Sweets, Savories, and More - Sarah Owens

Note: Use baking sheets to catch the inevitable melted cheese.

Substitutions:  Substituted Bloody Butcher Corn for Corn Meal.

Discussion: This is another delightful bread from Sarah Owens. I roasted the jalapeños on my grill with hickory wood which added a nice smoky flavor to the peppers. The coarse grind of the durum and corn meal add a nice texture to the crumb and crust. The crumb is nice and soft and the taste of the cheddar cheese and jalapeños are predominant.

Make again? - Yes, definitely.

Changes/Recommendations:  The cheese pieces were a little large as can be seen in the crumb photo. I thought I'd diced the cheese pretty small but next time I'd make them pea-sized. Prior to roasting, cut the peppers in half length-wise then scrape the seeds out.

Ratings:

 

 

 

 

 

Tony

 

 

 

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rgreenberg2000

Looking to expand my repertoire with something less loafy, so thought I'd give English Muffins a go again after THIS ATTEMPT about 12 years ago! :)  I'm much happier with the results on these, which I will humbly chalk up to my gaining a bit of dough handling and reading experience in the intervening years! :)

I was drooling over kjnits EM recipe, but really wanted to keep this dairy free (a bit of lactose intolerance in the house.)  I borrowed/stole from a few recipes I found and came up with this:

Bread Flour 70%

AP Flour 17%

Whole Wheat Flour (freshly milled) 13%

Honey 1%

Butter 2% (I know, dairy?? Funny thing is I forgot to even put this in!!!)

Water 73%

Salt 1.7%

Levain 23%

I mixed everything together by hand with a brief knead after mixing, then let it rest for about 20 minutes.  Next I did a sort of stretch/slap fold procedure that I probably can't do justice describing, but has become my go-to method until I got some good strength.  Performed 2 sets of coil folds over the next hour, then a cold bulk for the better part of 24 hours.

Today, I divided the dough into 145g balls (thought I was making pizza for a second....small pizza), then let those rise on cornmeal dusted parchment until puffy (which was about 2.5-3 hours today as it was warm!)  I cooked the muffins off in a CI skillet that was ~340° per my IR thermo for 6-7 minutes per side, finishing them in a 350° oven until they hit 208-210° internal temp.

I let them cool, fork split them, and was VERY pleased with the interior crumb!  My prior attempt had a much more closed and doughy interior.  Taste testing says that they need more like 1.9-2.0% salt, and that the honey doesn't add much, so I'll either up that a bit, or just use white sugar.

Anyway, I'm super happy with the direction on these, and plan to make another batch on Wednesday!

Happy baking to you all!

Rich

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tpassin

I've been wanting to try Dave Snyder's San Joaquin formula, and I've also been wanting to try my hand at making a Pain Rustique loaf a la Prof. Calvert. So I combined the two, and it worked great.

Here's the formula, which I think has been updated a few times, with this maybe being the most recent -

https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/53813/san-joaquin-sourdough-two-ways

I used the amounts as is, which gave me two loaves: a Pain Rustique and a small batarde.  I made the levain Friday evening and let it ferment overnight on my room-temperature counter (72 - 75 deg F). Mid-morning Saturday I mixed the dough and let it ferment with about 3 S&F sessions for about 5 hours, after which it had risen more than the target 50% but less than doubled. Then the dough went into the refrigerator until the next morning.

At this point I deviated slightly from the formula because I didn't make a preform form the Pain Rustique, since the loaf itself was essentially a preform.  I fermented it for 45 minutes and then baked with steam.  Here is how it came out:

 

 

I don't have a photo of the crumb because I took it to our local bread bakery to share with the baker and staff, something I sometimes do (they comp me one of their loaves in return).  The crumb was nicely open with a good sprinkling of larger pores.  The taste was lovely, mellow, complex with hints of the whole wheat and rye.  The crust was thin and crackly.  It may have been cooked a little bit hot since the crust flavor was pretty strong - not burnt but strong.

I made a preform for the batarde when I formed the Rustique, and shaped it about an hour later.  It proofed in about 45 minutes.  The crumb of this loaf was a little tighter and more regular than the Rustique, and the flavor was the same.  Here's what it looked like:

Overall I'm very happy with the results.  Thanks, Dave!

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CalBeachBaker

Today's bake: Taralli Pugliesi - Italy

Source: insidetherustickitchen.com - Emily Kemp

Note: Modified the mix times to utilize a processor (FP).

  • Flavor variations to try - Fennel seeds, red pepper flakes (chilli flakes), rosemary, oregano, black pepper, Parmigiano Reggiano. Use as much or as little as you like.

Substitutions: AP flour for 00

Discussion: I first experienced these in Italy and found them rather tasty, they're similar to a pretzel. If you're looking for an unusual quick to make party snack, these are just the thing. The dough came together in less time that it took to get the pot of water boiling.

Here's the steps:

  1. Add: Dry into the FP - run 15 sec.
  2. Add: Wet into the FP - run ~45 sec.
  3. Divide/Scale to desired weight
  4. Roll out/pinch together
  5. Boil
  6. Bake/Cool
  7. Try not to eat them all at once.

 

Make again? - Yes, definitely.

Changes/Recommendations: When boiling be sure to ensure that they don't stick to the bottom when you first put them in the boiling water, see that they are floating freely. Try different spice combos.

Ratings - Tasty

 

 

 

 

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