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dmsnyder

Hamelman's Sourdough Seed Bread

Hamelman's Sourdough Seed Bread is basically a pain au levain made with rye and bread flour to which is added toasted sesame and sunflower seeds and a soaker of flax seeds. It has a crunchy, rather thick crust and a pretty dense crumb. Its flavor is delicious - mildly sour, even when cold retarded overnight, with well-balanced overtones from the seeds. Its flavor is not as complex as Hamelman's Five-Grain Levain, which is simply amazing, but it is a wonderful bread.

This bread has enough substance and flavor to be eaten plain. It would be wonderful with a flavorful soup or stew or with cheese or a salad. And it makes delicious toast.

It's another bread, like Tom Cat's Semolina Filone, that I like a lot but have not baked for quite a while, having been otherwise occupied by a baking agenda with way too many breads.

I baked these boules on a stone, pre-heated to 500F. A cast iron skillet with lava rocks was used for steaming. The oven was turned down to 460F after loading the loaves, and I baked them for 40 minutes.

Sourdough Seed Bread

Sourdough Seed Bread crumb

David

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gavinc

Getting sourdough consistent resutls

I now get week by week repeated success with Hamelman's Vermont Sourdough which is our regular bread I bake each weekend.  My take-home message to all sourdough newbies is to persist and pay attention to detail.  It's tempting to skip and make do with estimates and a "she'll be right" attitude, but if I want consisency week after week with sourdough, I have to do all the below:

  • Always have a fully active starter to build a fully active levain.
  • Use baker's percentage and scale all ingredients-
  • Take the time to measure the temperatures of the room, flour and levain and work out the desired water temperature so you can achieve a final dough temperature after mixing of 24 to 25C. (Believe me this doesn't take long and is not difficult).
  • Fold during bulk fermentation. (I do two at 50 minute intervals and shape after a further 50 minutes).
  • Final ferment for 2 hours; (or retard in the fridge until the next day works great for additional flavour, but not essential).
  • Bake in a hot oven 235C for 40 to 45 minutes (I find lower temperatures will not get the oven spring).  Use steam.

This never misses.

cheers,

Gavin.

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dmsnyder

Tom Cat's Semolina Filone from Glezer's "Artisan Breads"

My favorite Semolina Bread.

The formula and procedures I used are here: Tom Cat's Semolina Filone (from Glezer's Artisan Breads)

David

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Nica Linda

Baking bread in the Tropics?

Hello Bakers,

Over the past year I have discovered that I love to bake bread, and not just because I have been baking out of necessity (sadly, good bread is hard to find where I live). Without the convenience of internet right in my kitchen, my single resource has been the "Fannie Farmer Cook Book" published in 1970 that a friend gave me. But as of a month ago, we finally have dial-up speed internet out here in the campo. One of my first searches lead me to The Fresh Loaf!

After reading through so many highly-knowledgeable posts, my list of questions is as long as my arm. But in general, I would greatly appreciate any tips on baking in this tropical climate and unique recipes that might be ideal for the limited amount of flours and grains available to me...Bollo Fino white flour, mid-grade wheat flour, corn meal, Oat bran, Oatmeal and a variety of add-ins (local cheese, nuts, fruits, veggies). My baking tools are very basic and my oven is propane rather than electric.

My desire is to get a few good recipes down so I can make bread regularly for friends and neighbors. I also know of several local women in the area who might enjoy learning about different breads they can bake in their adobe brick ovens.

Thanks Fresh Loaf community!

Linda

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Shiao-Ping

my first sourdough bread

 

my first sourdough bread using 5 days old starter raised in sunny Queensland, Australia

 

 

I am new to sourdough berad.  A big thank-you to Susan of wild yeast.  I followed her Overnight Ciabatta recipe loosely.  But as someone said, "it isn't the recipe that will make or break...so much as the technique used in dealing with the ingredients," it really isn't easy for a beginner especially when the ingredients are so simple - flour, water and a few microorganisms in the air.  As you can see from the top picture, the bottom of my bread is dense.  I was quite scared when I was folding the dough and as a result I probably didn't do as good a job in that.  Another reason for the dense bottom crumb could be that it didn't proof completely before it went into the bake.   It is very hard for a beginner to judge - the recipe might say, "proof one hour", how about my room temp, how well did the dough ferment before that... all of these play a mystical part in the final product unbeknown to the beginner.

And, thank-you, too, to cleancarpetman.  I read his "Freedom!!" before I finally decided I should put all the books and reseach aside and just do it.  One day I will get the ryhthm of the process. 

The flavour of the bread was beautiful though - mildly sour, soft, and full of life.  It has the complexity in flavour that factory white bread cannot dream of.  Both of my son and daughter loved it.  How do a 14 year-old and a 16 year-old know these things. 

Shiao-Ping

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bassopotamus

Hobart vs Electrolux vs Bosch

My wife and I are going to take the plunge and try selling bread this summer at the farmer's market. Right now, we have a kitchenaid pro 600, which just isn't going to cut it. I'm thinking probably 50-75 lbs of dough a week, mostly done in a day. From what I have seen, the DLX is the home product most likely to be up to the task. However, for about the same price, it appears you can get a used Hobart 5qt, or maybe an 8. Any reccomendations here? The DLX can probably do a bigger batch at a time, it sounds like, but I'm not sure if it is up to running like 6-8 batches in a row without a break.

 

thanks

justin

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marieJ

Sourdough Pizza...a tried and true recipe..?

G'day!  I'm currently searching for a sourdough pizza base recipe.  I'd love to hear from those who have a tried and true recipe. I was just going to try one of my white sourdoughs and make a few adjustments. I'm also a newbie to the art and would love to hear of fellow afficionado's experiences.

Cheers! Marie.

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Yippee

Hello from Yippee

Hello, dear fellow Fresh Loafers:

I'm a rookie baker who recently joined this community.  As I've gained more confidence in the bread making process during the last two months through experimenting with Asian style sandwich breads, I feel that I'm ready to step up to take on the challenge of artisan bread baking.  I look forward to learning from every experienced baker here and finding another place I can call home outside of my kitchen. Please visit my blog to see my report cards. 

Yippee

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DrPr

How can I achieve a less dense crumb?

I made a rustic white bread using Nancy Silverton's recipe from her Breads from La Brea Bakery book. This is my first time baking in cold weather and I'm thinking low fermenation temperatures might be the problem, since I've used this formula before with no problems.  I know my starter is healthy and performing well, so I am confident we can remove that from the equation. Here is what happened:

When it was time for the fermentation, the house was between 60F & 65F, and after two hours I could see no change in the dough. I then placed it in a room with a heater that raised the temperature to between 70 and 75.  After a total fermentation period of four hours the dough seemed to have spread out (the container was a bit wider than the dough) but not to have risen much, if at all. When I pressed on it it seemed rather firm, and my finger left an impression that lingered.  I didn't let it ferment further for fear of ruining the dough. I'm now wondering if I should have let it ferment longer.

I then shaped it and let it proof for about an hour as recommended but again, the rise I was supposed to expect was not discernable. Again I dared not let it sit out longer for fear of overproofing.  Should I have let it proof for a longer period at this point?

So next it went into the refrigerator overnight. Today I let it sit out for four hours in the warmed room as Silverton instructs, but the boule did not double in size as she describes (it barely rose at all) and when I pressed on it, the dough did not spring back as she says it should.  

Dreading the outcome, I baked per her instructions.  The result was a nice color and startling oven spring given the size of the dough (I hadn't expected anything at all!) but the crumb was stili denser than I was hoping for. My room mates praised the flavor and density so it wasn't a complete waste of flour, but I am wondering what I can do to make the dough less dense next time. By the way, I made a sourdough batard with this starter a few days earlier and it was also more dense than I prefer.  I would appreciate any suggestions/advice you may have.    Thanks!! Photos of the boule and the crumb are below.

 

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Mini Oven

Cooked Kamut berries, now what?

Ongoing Kamut experiment... a short one.

Monday Morning:

I have 600g Kamut berries.  Dirctions say how to cook, 2 cups water for 1 cup berries washed in sieve.  I decided to use the rice cooker for my good 4 cups of grain.  By washing, it was clear that the grain was better washed in a large bowl and water poured off the top to remove parts of hulls and dust.  The berries are large enough to drain in a colander.   I then let the rice cooker do the work with 1 tsp of salt.  All the water was absorbed and the grain took on a caramel color with a nutty fragrance. 

Now what?  I was hoping to put this grain into a rye bread but I had to eat some first.  Very chewy.  Very chewy indeed!  Now I'm not so sure I want it whole in my bread.  I was eating chili for lunch so I combined some cooked grain into it.  Uh, ok, not the best idea, but I did get a glimpse of the texture with other food.  The tough chewy berries stood out.  "Roughage" kept going through my head.  I guess the blender is the next step, make the grains smaller.  Will I come out with a pudding like substance?   I have to think about this....  any ideas?  (Meanwhile, starter is being refreshed.)  I need some coffee.

 

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