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baltochef

Cinnamon Roll Recipe Using Potato Please!!

I am looking for a very tender cinnamon roll recipe containing mashed pototoes that has been converted to weights..I used the search function here at TFL and found Zolablue's cinnamon roll recipe, but it is all volumetric measures, not weights..Has anyone here converted her recipe to weights..Or perhaps, has a similar recipe that is already worked out for weight measurements..Either grams or ounces is fine with me..My scale, and my mind, will handle both grams / kilograms, and ounces / pounds..

Thanks, Bruce

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rryan

Retarding sourdough loaves overnight

I have recently started baking sourdough bread, and have thoroughly enjoyed the process.  Each loaf has been a "success", but each loaf has been very different from the others.  My wife and I have very different opinions about whether or not a loaf is a success.  For me, the crust should be a beautiful brown, and very crispy/chewy.  The crumb should be open, with some large, irregular holes.  My wife, on the other hand, prefers a bread with a golden colored, soft, delicate crust, and a finer crumb.

I have been able to achieve the bread I prefer by baking boules in a cast iron pot.  My wife's favorite loaves were achieved by baking batards on a pizza stone (although I was honestly trying to bake bread the way I really like it!).  I have posted about a couple of my previous loaves on TFL, and a number of you have responded with comments and suggestions about each loaf.  One suggestion that was made more than once was retarding the dough after shaping.  So this time, I decided to give retarding in the refrigerator a try.  Of course, I was hoping to end up with a loaf with crisp crust and a really open crumb.

I used Mike Avery's basic mild sourdough recipe again, only modifying it by adding a tablespoon of Bob's Red Mill vital gluten, as the organic AP flour I get from my local co-op is lower in protein than the KA flour I was previously using.  Lacking proper bannetons, I used a couple ceramic bowls from the china cabinet.  They measured 5 1/2 inches in diameter by 2 1/2 inches deep.  The dough had been kneaded a bit in my Kitchen Aid mixer, then stretched and folded three times at 45-minute intervals, and finally formed into round balls and placed in the ceramic bowls. The shaped dough was put into a cold refrigerator (actual temp unknown, but a lot of things freeze in the darned thing) overnight. Total retard time was about 12 hours.

On removal from the fridge, the loaves were nearly completely risen. They had risen enough that the portion above the bowl was at least as large as the portion in the bowl.  Rather than chance disaster by removing them from the bowls to bake, I opted to bake them as "pan" breads.  Fortunately, I had buttered the bowls, rather than lining them with floured cloth, so I was able to just pop them in the oven after a 2-hour warm-up period and scoring them.  I spritzed them with water and placed them in a 375 degree farenheit oven directly on a baking stone for about 45 minutes.  At that time, they were golden in color, but sounded hollow and had an internal temperature of 202 degrees. They were removed from the ceramic bowls and placed on cooling racks.

The results were somewhat surprising, although maybe they shouldn't hve been.  The upper sections (above the bowls) had crunchy, chewy crust.  The lower sections (baked in the bowls) had soft crusts.  The crumb was light and open, moist but not wet, and the flavor was less subtle than previous loaves, with a more pronounced sourdough flavor.

Overall, this baking was a "success" for both of us.  My wife had her soft crust, and I had my crisp and chewy crust.  The crumb didn't have big, irregular holes, but it was open and delicate.  Retarding the final dough paid off in flavor, but the baking method undoubtedly affected the crumb and crust. Overall, though, I'm certain that more bread will be baked this way in our house.

Feel free to weigh in with comments and suggestions.

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hazimtug

Focaccia Genovese

Second time I tried focaccia, using Reinhart's Pain a la Ancienne technique at about 77% hydration. Even though, I could bake on the same day, I further retarded the proofing stage overnight in the fridge. This was our Sunday treat. I was impressed with the airy crumb and the natural sweetness that came with the cold water technique. Herb oil just topped it off...

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Jw

hedgehog bread

In absence of my camera (the display is broken), I uploaded a few old pictures. When our kids were younger, we once took them to the Bakkery Museum. They were really exited about the figures the bakers demonstrated. If it is not the content of a bread, it will be the form that decides whether they like it are not!

We made some of these breads during several birthday partys, even the 'never eat bread' kids would eat that own bread this time.

I am progressing with the sourdough, more on the art part then on the science part. Baking full week around is also working out so far. Pictures will follow! Groeten, Jw.

A baker at the museum. I remember they put on a real good show, they made everything look so simple.

Some of the figures:

And a picture from a birthday party. The kids added a bit of sugar powder on top... the pictures are from 2002.

 

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SteveB

Scali

For those who might be interested, I've detailed my baking of Scali here:

http://www.breadcetera.com/?p=164

SteveB

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baltochef

What Percentage of Dried Onions in Onion Rye Breads??

The following question is directed towards those forum members making onion rye breads.."What percentage of re-hydrated minced dried yellow onions are you using compared to the total amount of flour in your rye bread recipes??"..I am trying to come up with a N.Y. Delicatessan-style seeded onion rye bread that I can bake in a Pullman pan so the crust is not too tough for my mother to chew with dentures..Below is the recipe I first created last week..Great deli rye flavor, but little onion taste..I made the mistake (??) of not using the water used to soak the dried onions in the recipe, for fear that it might bake out with too strong of an onion taste..My second question is, "Would the recipe have tasted OK if I had included the soak water; or do I need a greater amount of dried onions for this recipe??"..The recipe I created follows..

Pain de Mie N.Y. Delicatessan-style Seeded Onion Rye Bread

Sponge:

545g (19.21 oz.) water, 100F

250g (7.58 oz.) coarse rye flour

120g (5.46 oz.) bread flour

15g (0.53 oz.) organic granulated cane sugar

1 3/8 teaspoon (0.15125 oz.) SAF Gold instant yeast

Final Dough:

Contents of sponge

35g (1.23 oz.) dried, minced yellow onions (1/4 cup)--soaked in 70F tap water for 30 minutes, absorbing...

87g (3.07 oz.) water

595g (1 lb. 4.97 oz.)(20.97 oz.) bread flour

16g (0.56 oz.) fine sea salt

25g (0.88 oz.) caraway seeds

 

Thanks for any advice in helping me to troubleshoot this recipe!!..

Bruce

 

 

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foolishpoolish

Pain Aux Deux Levains

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Marni

Today's baking

Well here it goes, trying to post pictures on my blog - today I baked a traditional Jewish holiday treat called Hamantashen.  They are popular for the holiday of Purim which is next Tuesday.  I made about 110, a mix of prune, cherry and blueberry.  I'm not the most careful cookie shaper, but these are disappearing too fast for that to really matter.

I also tried the round braid that Trailrunner made recently.  That was so much fun!  I make challah almost every week and have never tried this before.  I just used a basic challah recipe that looked good. 

Here it is  just after shaping:

And just out of the oven:

Lately I've been brushing my challahs with a mix of egg yolk and dash of vanilla.  The taste is great and the smell even better.  The line is from rolling the strands , it was a technique I haven't used before and was much easier than my usual method, but I'll have to watch for those seams.

We haven't tasted this loaf yet - tomorrow night.

Whew - I admire those of you who post pictures regularly, it takes a while to do!  I love seeing everyone's pictures, so thank you for taking the time to show your work.  I loved doing this.

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bassopotamus

How much rye can a rye take?

I made the Bread Bible rye today and it was quite good, but I would like a tad more rye flavor. I don't have the recipe handy right now, but it was something like like 3/4 cup rye flour to 3 1/4 cups bread flour (with some in a pre ferment). I think it would be good with a little more rye flour, but I also know that rye can be kind of cantankerous. Two questions

 

1. How much more rye could I sub for bread flour without risking a brick?

2. When I sub, should I be replacing equal volumes or equal weights of flour? Rye and bread flour are not the same density.

 

Thanks

 

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blockkevin

Hamelmans 5 Grain Levain...well almost

 

 

Hamelmans 5 Grain Levain

 

 So after much discussion on these boards I finally decided to make this bread myself to see what all of the fuss was about. I can't believe I waited so long...This is absolutly one of the most delicous breads that I have ever tasted. I did make a few adjustments to the formula based soley on what I had available to work with (noted in formula below), but I tried to recreate the formula as close to the original as possible to get a sense of the bread in it's purest form. I also recalculated his formula so that I would end up with approx. 1200g of dough, which is the appropriate size to fit on my stone.

 

Liquid Build

  • KAF AP Flour 128g 100%
  • Water 160g 125%
  • Mature Culuture(mine is 100% Hydration) 26g 20%

Soaker

  • Bulger Wheat(The original formula calls for Rye Chops) 47g 27%
  • Flaxseeds (mine happened to be golden) 47g 27%
  • Sunflower Seeds 39g 23%
  • Oats 39g 23%
  • Boiling Water 204g 120%
  • Salt 3g 2%

Final Dough

  • KAF AP Flour(The orignal formula calls for hi-gluten flour) 255g 67%
  • Fairhaven Mills Whole Wheat Flour 128g 33%
  • Water 133g 35%
  • Salt 9g 2.3%
  • Soaker(all) 379g 99%
  • Liquid Build 314g 82%

1. Liquid Build & Soaker-approx. 12 hours before mixing elaborate liquid build, and prepare grain soaker.

2. Mixing-As per the instructions in the book all of the ingredients are placed into a mixer and mixed on low speed for a few minutes to hydrate the flour. I found that I needed to add about 2 Tbsp more water. I suspect that the bulger wheat in the soaker absorbed more water than the rye chops would have. When the dough begins to come together increase speed to medium and mix until moderate gluten development is reached. Seeing as I didn't have any hi-gluten flour I mixed a little more thouroughly then I would have otherwise. On speed four in my kitchenaid mixer I mixed for 8 minutes, and I achieved a fairly high level of develpment.

3. Ferment- 3 Hours with a fold at 1.5 hours. (Orignal formula calls for 1-1.5 hours)

4. Divide- Divide the dough into 2 approx. 600g. portions.

5. Relax- shape the dough into loose boules, and allow to bench rest for approx. 20 minutes to allow for easier shaping.

6. Shape- shape the dough as desired and place between folds of bakers linen or in prepared bannetons. Round or ovals are what Hamelman suggests.

7. Proof- Approx. 1 hour at 76 deg. F., or alternatively retard in the fridge overnight for up to 18 hours.

8. Bake- 30-35 minutes for 600g. batards 460 deg F. on preheated stone with steam for the first half of the bake. Turn the oven off and prop open the door and allow bread to dry out for an additional 10 minutes before removing from the oven.

9.Cool- allow the finished bread to cool for at least 3 hours before cutting.

 

Final notes and Impressions

The crumb on this bread was unlike anything I have ever made before, it is incredibly soft, and creamy on the tongue. The crust was lightly crisp, and not as thick as I would have expected given the overnight retarding. I would definetly make sure this bread is cooked long enough, and hot enough as it has a good deal of water from the soaker, and it needs a thourough bake to fully dry out.

Dsnyder once refered to this bread as a "flavor bomb" and I would enthusiasticly agree with that assessment. It has wonderful tart notes from the levain, and a lovely complexity from the soaked grains. I hope you all get the chance to make this bread sometime to fully experience how delicious it is.

Happy Baking

Kevin

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