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Maybe it would be good to define whole wheat.
Last time I was at this whole wheat section of the bread forum, [8 months ago maybe] there were posts about whole wheat bread. To me that means 100% whole wheat. And it seemed to mean that to the other posters back then. What does it mean to you people? Some whole wheat, mostly whole wheat, a little whole wheat. Do we really need a forum titled 100% WHOLE WHEAT? If so lets please start one. I've been thru about 20 posts that describe increasing the whole flour amount, or adding bread flour, It sounds like the business definition of whole wheat has been adopted here....i.e. whatever thier lobby people paid congress to say it means. It's still the english language and bribing congressmen aside, whole means entire or all of something, and wheat is a grain surrounded by bran with an intact germ inside. Everything else is dead flour. The business man's delight. That's my .02.
Ron
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Aunt Bert's Cinnamon Rolls
Aunt Bert's Cinnamon Roll's
Scald 1 Cup milk, add:
5 Tbsp. Sugar
1 TBsp. Salt
Mix - then set aside to cool.
Dissolve 2 ½ tsp. dry yeast and 1/8 tsp. ground ginger in 1 cup luke-warm to medium warm water. Yeast should start to bubble a little in about 15 minutes.
Put milk mixture in large bowl and let it cool before adding yeast mixture.
Add 3 cups of flour, (I always use Gold Medal All Purpose) beating good. Then add 6 Tbsp Wesson oil (or any kind of liquid shortening). Add rest of flour (about 3 Cups).
Raise once. Punch down dough, cover with bowl and let dough rest for 5-10 minutes.
Lightly dust your counter top with flour. Roll dough into rectangle and brush the top with melted butter, add the filling. Roll the rectangle up and cut 1" slices. I don't usually measure the filling, I just go by feel but below is a low end estimate you should probably double it.
FILLING:
1 cup brown sugar, packed
2 1/2 tbs ground cinnamon
I take my huge 17x12x3 pan and spray it with Pam, then line it with parchment paper (the Pam helps keep the paper from curling up and also gets the spots the paper doesn't cover). Then I melt approx. 1/4 cup of butter (more or less) and pour it in the bottom of the pan. Then I take cook and serve butterscotch pudding powder (DO NOT USE THE INSTANT KIND!) and sprinkly some very lightly over the butter. (don't over do it, less is more) Place the cinnamon rolls in the pan approx. 1" apart; let rise again. (typically this takes an hour for me) Bake at 350° until done in the middle. (30-45 minutes is how long it usually takes for me)
ICING: Usually I take 1 pound box of powdered sugar and mix with 1/8 to 1/2 tsp of maple flavoring then add enough milk to make it runny enough to pour. Sorry, again I don't measure usually. Make it to the consistency you like. After I take the rolls out of the oven, I let them cool 5 minutes then pour the icing over the top of all the rolls. I like to have them just barely iced, it keeps the tops soft and from feeling dry and adds a little kick with the maple.
This batch I accidently put more icing on them than I usually do but they still taste dandy. (and usually it's a little runnier too so it's more like a light glaze) Some people like a cream cheese icing on them but not me.
Makes approx. 20-24 rolls. I have a huge 17x12x3 inch pan I always bake the entire batch in. It's by Chicago Metallic Professional. These always come out perfectly done, not doughy. I like that they have a little crunch to the crust. You could make these of course in smaller pans and bake in several batches. When I am giving these away I use those little square tinfoil pans and I think they held 5. That was a nice size to give away to friends and neighbors.
I made these for a church potluck once before and I had people hunting me down to get the recipe. I was asked to make these for the potluck tomorrow by several people after the last time I took a cheesecake and they still couldn't stop talking about the cinnamon rolls, LOL.
Sorry I am not so good at writing directions. I use this same basic dough recipe for cloverleaf rolls. I will be making some for THanksgiving and will post a pic then. : ) This recipe is supposed to be almost 100 years old (the dough recipe anyway) and is from my husband's Great Aunt Bert who they think got it from her Aunt or Mother. Don't know if it's true or not but it sounds good, LOL.
Amy in Alaska
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Optimal amount of protein for a whole wheat flour?
I checked on Wheat Montana's site today and saw that their whole wheat flour has a protein content of 15-16%!! It's the flour I've been using; I have noticed that with most recipes I have to add more water than suggested, but I didn't put two and two together. I'm thinking that in order to adjust for a more fragile gluten network formed in a whole grain dough that the protein level should be higher than a white flour, but this seems excessive. (And I don't even know if I'm right about the whole protein thing being higher.) I can't find any info in any of my books about this subject. Can anyone enlighten me?
SOL
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100% WW rolls - moderate success
I made a stab at some 100% WW rolls today. (Well, I did sub in about 70 grams of white cake flour because I didn’t have enough WW pastry flour.) I was surprised to realize that shaping those little balls was a lot more difficult than shaping a loaf sized boule. I’m generally happy with the results, though I probably should have allowed the rolls to proof longer. Laurel suggests allowing rolls to actually overproof. The final rise time is projected at 45 minutes in a 95F environment. I didn’t have an easy way to create a proofing chamber for a sheet of rolls, so they took a lot longer, and I was impatient.. Here’s a shot of the crumb. That's an 8 oz coffee cup for reference.
Whole Wheat Dinner Rolls for Thanksgiving
- based on Dinner Rolls for Aunt Agatha in Laurel’s Kitchen Bread Book
SOAKER
35 grams potato flakes
150 grams WW pastry flour
50 grams finely ground red WW flour
230 grams finely ground white WW flour
¼ cup buttermilk powder
1 tsp. Salt
340 grams water
BIGA
470 grams finely ground white WW flour
340 grams water
½ tsp. Instant yeast
FINAL DOUGH
All of soaker
All of biga
7 Tbsp. extra WW flour
2 tsp instant yeast
3 tablespoons honey
1 egg
1 tsp salt (increase to 1¼ tsp)
¼ cup (56 grams) soft unsalted butter – ½ stick
Chop BIGA and SOAKER into several pieces with bench knife. Mix with remaining ingredients on slow speed for 1 to 3 minutes, using extra flour only if necessary. Switch to dough hook, and knead for 2 minutes. Let rest one minute or so, then slowly knead for about another minute, checking for windowpane.
Let dough go through one rise and then shape, rise and bake. .
For a brown and serve roll, bake at 275F for 30 minutes. To serve, preheat the oven to 450 and bake the rolls about 15 minutes, or just until nicely brown. Don’t overbake.
As with any bread, don't cool them on the baking sheet! I parbaked them at 275. When they cooled for about an hour, the top surfaces had shriveled just a tad, and the bottoms were a bit moist. Next time I'll use a cooling rack!
If time permits, I'll do a 2nd attempt before Thanksgiving. For one thing, I'd like to see if the shaping gets any easier with more practice. But for now, these are in the freezer, and will do.
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Seeking an Apple Cider Starter recipe
Hi,
Today, while my grandchildren were visiting, I discovered that I have a gallon of apple cider that is no longer sweet cider. By the time the boys (2 1/2 and 6 1/2) left, I thought of consuming it but then again I thought of how could I use this to make a starter. Since I do have a gallon of this stuff I have enough to play around with.
I was wondering, has anyone tried to make a starter using apple cider and flour? If so, what amounts did you use and what type(s) of flour.
I am pretty new to this site but have been baking breads for about 40 years, sourdough for about 1 year and mostly just a rye sour.
Thanks,
Elaine
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Major Wheat Classifications - USA - reference
in response to harrygermany's post on November 11, 2007 which said in part
There are several hundred varieties of wheat produced in the United States, all of which fall into one of six recognized classes. (This is in market contrast to the one or, at most, two wheat classes produced in other nations.)
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First Epi and baguette
Today I decided it was time for a serious try at baguette and epi.
Baguette and Epi
I made a straightforward french dough (68% hydration) and did not knead, but used the stretch and fold approach, both to develop the dough, and part way through bulk fermentation. I made two demi-baguettes and one epi. Unlike all my previous baking, today I used the convection mode which gave a very even browning of the bread (also used baking stone and steam of course). The crust was crackling, which was also a first for me. Way cool to hear that. It all resulted in a very thin but crispy crust and a very tender inside with nice crumb and decent holes.
Baguette and Epi crumb
--dolf
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Should I steam a cold start sandwich loaf?
I didn't the last time, and I think the loaf could have risen better. Does it matter much if I use hot or cold water in a cold oven? One of these days I'll rig some steam injection, but that's a ways down my project list.
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Folding, windowpaning and dough strength
Are we supposed to assume that when a dough reaches the point that it windowpanes, the dough has enough strength? I let my white sourdough reach just that point in the mixer the other day, and did not fold it. It seemed a bit slack to me, but I was experimenting. The result was a slack dough that spread quite a bit in the oven. (I did the final proof in a banneton.) I have also taken that same formula and given it folds to the point that in the oven, it bursts because it's too strong. How do we assess when I dough has hit that magic point of being strong enough but not too strong?
SOL
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