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Alexio

Hi all,

Ive been baking for some time mainly pastry, entrements ect... i decided to try panettone in oct 22 and its been like a drug ever since...ive never spent so long studying, obsessing or having nightmares about my whole life in this aspect anyway...road cycling is another matter...

My days are consumed with maintenance, preperation refreshments and troubleshooting or learning. My head buzzes with ideas how to make the next better than the last.

Ive spent alot of time reading chamberllands book on panettone. Ive also spent alot of time on all forum threads along with countless google recipes (of which half are called pannettone...but are just not). I appreciate everyones contribution here..i got this far with this forums knowledge.

So...

Primos failed so much it breaks down any anger I first had. I got lucky enough to make a 'bread" my first attempt and thought...this isnt so hard...then I failed 6. Ive baked a few at a time with LM maintained different ways one feeling damn that dough looks good...the other not so much
... the good one not rising the other perfect.

Now that this is all out the way...we reach the new chapter. My LM needs help to the next level.

My LM is just not acidifying
Ive tried long 7hr 1:1:35-45 @30 into 12-16hr 18oc refresh same ratios, tried @ 0.95,85,80 flour ratios, tried 1.1,2,3 flour ratios. Tried adding egg yolk to the mix @ 6%, tried wholewheat flour ratios, organic and type 1 italian flours for nutrient rich feeds. Ive tried varying PH of waters and flours...all specific italian flours.
My PM only goes to 4.1 even after days at room temp bound (loosely) for days, the c02 production is huge its exploded like a bomb before. When i go to do prep refreshments ...3.15-4hrs ph comes to about 3.4 and no less. It smells sweet like malted honey at this point.
When I do water baths overnight it smells like honey and imagine a beer factory, its amazing...yet the acidity wont go down.

Which comes to primo impasto...it always acidifies to about 4.6-8ish. So before i try more recipes ...i want to get this to 3.8 or so after bound maintenance storage. Any suggestions?

Some pics of my latest...and older...

 

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Sugarowl

So I started 2023 with a bang, on the side of my loaf that is. I have made about 5 loaves this year and all have proofing and kneading issues (and shaping). I even forgot the yeast in my steamed buns! My goal is to get better at timing (and organizing!) my sourdough bakes. What worked out for me last year or the year before doesn't seem to work out right now. With kids, everything is always changing as they get older (at least I don't have to move the crayons up to a higher shelf anymore). I have learned from every bake at least. Well, whether I'll remember or not is up in the air, hence why I am posting here, so I don't forget.

The pictures are not in chronological order. I will say that adding carrot juice to bread was not as tasty as I had hoped. And I learned not to leave the broiler on to long to warm up the oven for proofing (no longer than 5 minutes). I also need to sharpen my knives.

So here's to (mostly) yummy failures and hopefully better future loaves!

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jo_en

1)  100% Whole Wheat Loaf (120 gr thermophilic sd starter)

Using this whole wheat loaf recipe, substitute 120 gr of thermophilic sd (TH-SD) starter in place of 90 gr flas. Adjust the amount of added water to get 80% hydration of the dough.

Pay particular attention to mixing and overall  instructions from Yippee's Simple 100% Whole Wheat with CLAS

Mix in Zojirushi for 10 min.

  • 455 gr  freshly ground hard ww flour*
  • 20 gr freshly ground ww malt*
  • 120 gr TH-SD starter (24g rye grains, 96g water)
  •  304 gr water (total flour = 500 gr; 80% hydr: 400 gr water)    Set aside 20 gr water to add with salt and yeast. Add water only until dough begins to break.

* Sift and regrind the coarse particles for 35 sec in a spice grinder. Add them back into the flour.

After 10 min., sprinkle in

  • 1/2 tsp dry instant yeast (SAF)
  • 8-9 gr salt (2%)

Mix for 20 min more.

See pictures and descriptions for the following stages of the dough handling.

  1. Let rise at 29-30C for 1h 45min - 2h. Do not over ferment. Use poke test.
  2. Shape dough and let it rise at 31C for about 45 min in loaf pan (in a plastic bag). Do not overferment. Use poke test.
  3. Bake in Zojirushi.  Program:  10 min Preheat followed by 70 min Bake.  Check dough temp at around 48-55 min. Range: 202-207F.

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2) rusbrot's Šventinė duona (basic procedure)

 

VERY BEAUTIFUL, ROUNDED and NUANCED FLAVOR!!

 

7 STEPS:  | 1 MASH (4h)  |  2 TH-SD FERMENT (20h)  |  3 LIQUID YEAST (3h)  |

          |  4 PRE-DOUGH (75 min)  |  5 DOUGH (45 min)  | 

          |  6 SHAPE/FINAL PROOF (50 min) |     

          |  7 BAKE:  freestanding loaf-steam (10 min 240C/464F);

                         w'out steam (30 min 200C/392F)  |

          |  alternately: pan loaf -BAKE in Zojirushi |

 

STEP 1

MASH

FERMENT 63C for 3-4 h.

          Resulting MASH

          

 

 

 

 

STEP 2

TH-SD Ferment

Mix

Ferment 50 C for 20 h.          

 

In the remaining steps, the ferments are at 30C.

"Thermophilic LAB do not show activity at 30C, and acidity of the TH-SD is sufficient to prepare wheat-rye dough only with yeast." - (see 3:14 rusbrot)

 

 

 

 

STEP 3

LIQUID YEAST

MIx

  • STEP 2 TH-SD
  • 7 gr fresh yeast ( 2.33 gr DIY = 3/4 t)
  • 20 ml water

Ferment 30C - 3h.

Step 3 Ferment doubles.

"'liquid yeast' ... nice fruity flavor and swe[et]-sour taste"- (see 3:41 rusbrot)

 

 

 

 

 

STEP 4

PRE-DOUGH

Mix

  • STEP 3 liquid yeast
  • 220g wheat flour
  • 120 g white (light) rye flour

FERMENT 30C for 1h 15 min.

Step 4 dough is very sticky and it was difficult to incorporate the flour (used  Zojirushi mixer 15 min). 

Deviation from Recipe: Interruption in Schedule-Placed the sticky dough in 6C/43F garage overnight (8 hr).

RESULT: Pre-Dough (initially warm) showed 50% increase in volume after 8 hr, 43F.

     

 

 

 

 

STEP 5

DOUGH 

Mix

  • STEP 4 PRE-DOUGH
  • 40 g sugar
  • 430 g wheat flour
  • 15-20 gr salt
  • 70 ml water

FERMENT 30C for 45 min

Dough Weight in recipe: 1645 g

With Hand Kneading (10 min)  and adding water: Dough weight = 1635 g.

Suggestions: Add sugar, salt and water first. Hand knead in a bowl. The dough is silky and supple.

Add flour and knead (on table) until smooth and no lumps.  The dough temp reaches 18C.

Place in proofer set at 31C. Wait until dough doubles (2h 15 min).

(Due to cold overnight rest, dough temps while in proofer remain low: 1 hr -19.8C; 2h - 21.5C; did not reach 30C).

  

 Dough after doubling (2h 15 min) (before shaping):

 

 

 

STEP 6

PRE-SHAPE rest 5 min

SHAPE and FINAL PROOF  for 45 min

2 Loaves shaped: 1 oval banneton; 1 loaf pan.

Check dough with poke test. (65 min)

Start oven preheating: 240C/464F.

 

 

 

STEP 7

BAKE

1) Oven Bake for Oval Loaf: Turn loaf out of banneton; spray with water and poke holes. 

          240C/464F in covered pan-10min; 200C/392F with lid off - 30 min. (Lots of mishandling below!)

            

2) Zojirushi Bake for Loaf Pan: Program- 10 min Preheat, 42 min Bake (350-400F); used coating of 1/2 t each of  milk powder and milk; poked holes in dough top.  Used regular oven to get overall browning - 5 min.  

 

 

 

Well, I tried!  

Crumb needs improving but the flavor is outstanding- beautiful, rounded and nuanced!

Loaves

Regular Oven

  

Zojirushi

 

 

 

Slices:

Zoji Loaf

Oven Loaf

 

100% Whole Grain Version (35% whole rye; 65% whole wheat berries)

TFL posthttps://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/72226/rusbrot-thsd-%C5%A1ventin%C4%97-duona-100-whole-grains

 2023-04-16

 

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Benito

This bake used my offshoot of Alan’s starter, a 80% hydration and all whole rye.  The levain was whole wheat and was stiff and sweet.  What is a bit different about this bake was that I used rye for the first time in a tangzhong, this one again has a 1:2 ratio of rye:milk.  I had a bag of sweet potatoes so decided to add mashed sweet potato to this dough.  Being still in Fort Lauderdale I do not have my Ankarsrum Assistent so fully hand mixed this dough.  

For one 9x4x4” Pullman pan loaf.

 

Instructions

Levain

Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 300% growth. 

Press down with your knuckles or silicone spatula to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At a temperature of 76-78ºF, it typically takes up to 10-12 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.  For my starter I typically see 3-3.5 times increase in size at peak.  The levain will smell sweet with only a mild tang.

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on medium heat, stir the milk and whole rye flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until well thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl.  Theoretically it should reach 65ºC (149ºF) but I don’t find I need to measure the temperature as the tangzhong gelatinizes at this temperature.  You can prepare this the night before and refrigerate it, ensure that it is covered to prevent it from drying out.

 

If you plan on using a stand mixer to mix this dough, set up a Bain Marie and use your stand mixer’s bowl to prepare the tangzhong.

 

Dough

For hand mixing instructions see the next paragraph.

In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk (consider holding back 10 g of milk and adding later if this is the first time you’re making this), egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain.  Mix and then break up the levain into many smaller pieces.  Next add the flours.  I like to use my spatula to mix until there aren’t many dry areas.  Allow the flour to hydrate (fermentolyse) for 20-30 minutes.  Mix on low speed and then medium speed until moderate gluten development this may take 5-10 mins.  You may want to scrape the sides of the bowl during the first 5 minutes of mixing.  Next add room temperature butter one pat at a time.  The dough may come apart, be patient, continue to mix until it comes together before adding in more butter.  Once all the butter has been added and incorporated increase the speed gradually to medium. Mix at medium speed until the gluten is well developed, approximately 10 mins.  Add the mashed sweet potato and mix until well incorporated.  You will want to check gluten development by windowpane during this time and stop mixing when you get a good windowpane.  You should be able to pull a good windowpane, not quite as good as a white flour because the bran will interrupt the windowpane somewhat. 

 

Hand mixing 

Into a large bowl add the tangzhong, milk, melted butter, salt, sugar and egg.  Mix well then add the levain, cut the levain into small pieces with your silicone spatula.  Add flour and mix until no dry flour remains.  Rest for 10 mins then slap and fold until the dough has good gluten development.  Stretch the dough on a wet countertop.  Spread about ⅓ of the mashed sweet potato onto the dough, then fold in half.  Repeat until all of the mashed sweet potato has been added.  Slap and fold or stretch and fold until the sweet potato is well incorporated.

 

On the counter, shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 2 - 3 hours at 82ºF.  There should be some rise visible at this stage.

 

You can next place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier to shape.  Remember, if you do so the final proof will take longer.  Alternatively, you can do a cold retard in the fridge overnight, however, you may find that this increases the tang in your bread.

 

Prepare your pans by greasing them with butter or line with parchment paper.  

 

Lightly flour the top of the dough. Scrape the dough out onto a clean counter top and shape it into a batard.  Transfer the dough into your pan and cover.

 

Cover and let proof for  4-6 hours at a warm temperature.  I proof at 82°F.  You will need longer than 4-6 hours if you chilled your dough for shaping. I proof until the top of the dough comes to within 1 cm of the top edge of the pan.

 

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash.  Just prior to baking brush with the egg-milk wash again.

 

Bake the loaves for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190ºF, rotating as needed to get even browning. Shield your loaf if it gets brown early in the baking process. After 50 mins remove the bread from the pan and bake a further 10 mins by placing the loaf directly in the oven on the rack with the oven turned down to 325ºF. You can brush the top of the loaf with butter if you wish at this point while the bread is still hot to keep the top crust soft.

My index of bakes.

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CalBeachBaker

Today's bake:  Madras Curry, Almond & Raisin Loaf

Source:  Based on - Bake Magazine - Chef Julien Otto, faculty instructor at The Fresh Pastry School

Note(s): Added Almonds & Durum Flour,  ^ Curry  to 1.3%, added Diastatic Malt, converted to small baguettes..

This bread is made from a 74% Bread Flour (KA), 25% of Organic Durum 100% Extract, and 1% Rye (Dark  Flour)

All baked on a baking steel.

This is my 2nd attempt making this bread and will definitely will be baking it again.

Changes/Recommendations - When I make this bread again, continue working on improving the scoring.

 

Tasting Notes

Crumb: Sweet/Dairy - Butter - The curry spice is the outstanding flavor but the raisins and almonds add a nice sweet/nutty contrast.

Crust: Toasty - Nutty

Grain Character: Complex - Cooked Whole Grains

 

This is a really nice dense bread which I will be making again.

Recipe and Process are below for those that are interested.

 

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Benito

Alan’s starter is quite potent and still not getting much of a sour scent to it.  It is living in a ziplock bag in my fridge and I made the stiff sweet levain from it directly without any refreshing and the levain was ready in no time.  I think I’ll figure out how to bring some home and compare it to mine.  Alan if you read this, what is the hydration that you keep your starter?  It is certainly not 100%.

So jackfruit can do a decent imitation of pulled pork for those unfamiliar with this tropical fruit.  So I combined this vegan pulled pork with my formula for sourdough gua bao and must say, it made a decent dinner.  I was a bit apprehensive about steaming the bao without my trusty bamboo steamer, but it worked out using my pasta pot with steaming inserts.

Overnight Levain

In a large jar, combine all purpose flour, water, ripe sourdough starter, and sugar. Cover the jar loosely and let the levain ripen overnight at warm room temperature (I keep mine around 76°F to 78°F).

 

Tangzhong

In a sauce pan set on med heat with about 1.5 cm of water, place the bowl of your stand mixer creating a Bain Marie, whisk the milk and flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool.

 

In The Morning

In a mixing bowl, add the Tangzhong, water, milk, sugar and salt, mix to dissolve.  Add the stiff sweet levain and using a silicone spatula, cut the levain into small pieces.  Add the baking powder, cornstarch and flour.  Mix to form a shaggy dough.  Allow to rest for 10 mins.  On your countertop or with your stand mixer  knead the dough until good gluten development.  Drizzle in the vegetable oil and mix until well incorporated.  If mixing my hand, which I recommend since it is such a small amount of dough, add the oil with the liquid ingredients.  Remove some dough for aliquot jar to follow rise.  Shape into a boule and rest in a covered bowl at 82°F until it has increased by 40%.

 

Prepare six 4” parchment squares.

 

Remove the dough to the counter and divide into six equal portions shaping each into a tight boule.  Allow to rest for 10 mins.  Roll out the dough into a 3 × 6-inch oval. Brush the surface of the dough with canola oil and gently fold the dough in half, but make the top folded part a bit longer than the bottom otherwise when steamed they won’t be equal in size. Place on a 4-inch square of parchment paper.

Cover the buns with a damp, clean kitchen towel and allow them to proof until they are 1 ½ times larger,

 

Cover the filled bao with a damp cloth and place in a warm place and allow them to ferment until they pass the poke test.  Using an aliquot jar they should reach about 100% rise.

 

Prepare your steamer setup and bring water to a boil.  Working in batches if necessary, arrange buns in the bamboo steamer spacing 2” apart.  Once the water is boiling turn the heat down to medium.  Steam over boiling water for 10 minutes.  Turn off the heat and leave the buns in the covered steamer for 5 more minutes to prevent collapsing.  (I left them in the steamer and on the same stove element turned off). Do not lift the lid of the steamer, doing so will cause a sudden drop in temperature that can cause the buns to collapse or wrinkle or dent.  Remove the buns from the steamer and allow them to cool for 5 minutes before serving.  

 

Buns can be kept in an airtight container (a resealable bag works great) at room temperature for up to 4 days or in the freezer for up to 3 months. Room temperature buns can be reheated in the microwave for 15 to 20 seconds or steamed for about 2 minutes, until soft and warmed through. Reheat frozen buns by steaming until soft and warmed through, 10 to 15 minutes.

Ingredients:(Makes 8)

For the buns:

250g plain flour

2 tsp caster sugar

1 tsp easy-blend dried yeast

½tsp salt

½tsp baking powder

50ml plant milk

75ml water

1tbsp rice vinegar

2tsp sesame oil, plus extra for brushing

2tsp black sesame seeds

 

For the filling:

2 x 400g cans of jackfruit, I only used 1 can.

1tbsp sunflower oil

2 garlic cloves, finely chopped

4cm piece fresh ginger, finely chopped

1 red chilli, deseeded and finely chopped

6 spring onions, 4 thinly sliced

3tbsp soy sauce

2tbsp hoisin sauce

2tbsp maple syrup

1½tbsp rice vinegar

1tsp Chinese five-spice

1 carrot

¼ cucumber

 

½ red pepper

 

1. Meanwhile, prepare the filling. Drain the jackfruit and squeeze out any excess water. Heat the sunflower oil in a large frying pan or wok, add the jackfruit and fry over a medium heat for about 10 minutes until golden brown, breaking up the pieces slightly with a wooden spoon.

 

2. Add the garlic, ginger, chilli and four sliced spring onions to the pan and continue frying for another minute. In a small bowl combine the soy and hoisin sauces, maple syrup, rice vinegar and Chinese five-spice with four tablespoons of water. Pour into the pan, mix to combine, reduce the heat slightly and continue to cook for a further three minutes or so until the jackfruit is caramelized and coated in sticky sauce. Remove from the heat while you prepare the remaining filling ingredients.

 

 

3. Using a julienne grater, cut the carrot and cucumber into fine strips. Finely slice the red pepper and remaining two spring onions. Cover and chill until ready to assemble the bao buns.

 

My index of bakes.

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jo_en

Recipe for 100% whole wheat lean loaf  (made in this 2000ml Pullman pan)

[For the same bread but using the thermophilic sourdough (TH-SD) see recipe here .]

Note the clas loaf weighs about 75 gr more the flas loaf.

CLAS or FLAS LOAF PROCEDURE

Refer to and carefully follow the procedure in Yippee's recipe  Simple 100% Whole Wheat with CLAS using the Zojirushi Bread Machine with dual paddles.

Total Flour: 475 gr freshly ground flour

     455 gr hard red wheat berries

     20 gr wheat malt berries

 

1. Grind all berries into a fine flour and sift.

  • coarse particles are ground for 35 sec in a coffee/spice mill;
  • they are added back to the fresh flour

 

2 Add flour to Zoji kneading pan; then pour

     90 gr liquid flas and 290 gr water (room temp) over flour and knead 10 min.  

     [If using clas, pour the mixture of 120 gr clas with the added 334 gr water (both at room temp) over the 475 gr flour (455 gr ww and 20 gr wh malt) in the Zoji mixing pan.]

 

3.  After 10 min, sprinkle

     8-9 gr salt and 1/2 tsp SAF dry yeast over the dough.

 

4 Knead for 20 min more.  Check dough development pictures in Simple 100% Whole Wheat with CLAS.

The warm temp of freshly milled flour and the extended kneading above should bring the dough temp to around 28C.  If it is slightly less than 28C after the 30 min  kneading, then the dough will be warmed during the rise through a temp controlled heat source. 

 

 

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5 Let Dough Rise at 29C for 1h 40 min - 2 h. Use poke test to check dough (almost doubled).

 

3 Ways for Controlling Temp:

  1. Salton yogurt tub with a temp controller set at 29.5C
  2. Let dough remain in the Zojirushi (Setting-off; lid closed.) for the rise at 28-30C. You may need to monitor this. (Do not use Preheat setting-temp may fluctuate too high.) 
  3. Brod and Taylor proofer set at 29-31C.

 

Note the nice bubbles formed by the end of rise:

 

 

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6.  Shape the dough and place in your own pullman loaf pan, lined with parchment paper.

      Place entire pan in a plastic bag.

     Proof at 31C for 45-60 min.

      Check with poke test.

 

 

7 Paint the surface of loaf with mixture of

     1/2 t dry powdered milk and 1/2 t milk

     This will help moisten the loaf for oven spring and brown the loaf.

     Slash the top lightly (to prevent a hollow top during bake).

 

 

8 Bake in the Zojirushi bread machine. In place of the Zoji pan, prop your own pan on a small inserted rack.

     Zojirushi Bread Machine is programmed for 10 min Preheat followed by 70 min Bake.

     Test for internal temp after 45-50 min. The final temp on the loaf below was 206F after 50 min (you may prefer 202F).  Cool 6-12 hours.

 

 

Slices: 

 

 Quick Reference Recipe Card

 

 

 

 

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How to Sift without Flying Flour!! (the mesh is 20 holes/inch)

 

 

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jo_en

Clas, flas and TH-SD are types of sourdough (Type II) used with small amounts of dry instant yeast (DIY) to make bread (often in 4-5 hours).

Refer to the detailed instructions by rusbrot for

  • clas here (0:42-6:00);
  • flas, rusbot's  MALT KMKZ, here;
  • TH-SD hereTH-SD stands for thermophilic sourdough.  

 

Summary

To make clas/flas, just mix the ingredients below and place in a jar.

     Obtain malt grain(rye or wheat) from a hobby brewing supplies store.

Both clas and flas can be maintained in a water bath in a crockpot with a temperature controller.

Try to match the level of the water bath with the level of the jar contents (clas or flas).

Note that rusbrot emphasizes the use of plastic film on the surface of clas to inhibit mold growth. 

This is not needed for flas since the liquidy contents of the jar may be shaken up a couple of times a day. 

 

 

(Note that a water bath might be maintained in a proofer also. ) 

Using clas/flas

Strain out the grain sediments in flas mixture; flas (for use in bread dough) is the liquid portion that is left.

Both clas and flas can be used immediately. 

Refrigerate clas for 1-2 days and use as if fresh; flas can refrigerated for a week or more.

 

FREEZE portions of clas(120g)/flas(90 gr) for later use.  You will have sourdough at your fingertips!!

 

(See below for THERMOS Method.)

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Refresh rye CLAS  rus brot -  https://brotgost.blogspot.com/2018/11/3.html

-No need to add vinegar or use a plastic film to cover surface of clas mixture.

General Proportion: (#gr rye in clas) : (new rye flour)  = 1:9

Recipe: Mix the following and ferment at 38-41C , 12 hrs.

29 g Clas (10 g rye, 19 gr water) - room temp

90 g whole rye flour (preferably freshly milled)

171 g(ml) water (45C)

Hydration: 190%   Yield: 290 g rye clas

 

********  Proportions for Refreshment in 6-8 hr: (#gr rye in clas) : (# gr new rye flour)  = 1:2    Recipe: 29 g Clas; 20 g whole rye flour; 38 g(ml) water;    Yield: 87 gr clas    

 

 

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Wheat Clas  (24-36h)

RecipeMix the following and ferment at 38±2C, 24-36 hrs.

-Use plastic film on surface of wheat clas mixture during fermentation.  Ending pH-4.

25 g whole grain wheat malt flour  (buy malt grain from a brewing supplies store)

75 g whole grain wheat flour

10 g(ml) vinegar (5% acidity)

140 g(ml) water (45C)

Hydration: 150%   Yield: 250 g wheat clas

 

Refresh wheat CLAS  (12 hrs)

-No need to add vinegar or use a plastic film to cover surface of clas mixture.

General Proportion: (#gr wheat in clas) : (#gr new wheat flour)  = 1:7

RecipeMix the following and ferment at 38±2C, 12 hrs.

30 g wheat Clas (12 g wheat, 18 gr water) - room temp

84 g whole wheat flour (preferably freshly milled)

126 g(ml) water (45C)

Hydration: 150%   Yield: 240 g wheat clas

 

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Thermophilic Sourdough Starter with fermented rye malt (solod)

Refer to ingredients and procedure by rusbrot. Makes 250 gr.

  • 40 g crushed unfermented rye malt
  • 10-15 gr fermented red malt (solod)
  • 200 ml water at 60C       400% hydr  (200:50)   | rye  | H2| H2| H2O | H2O |

Ferment: 24-30 hr; 50-53C (use a water bath); shake or stir mixture periodically.

 Result:  flavor like apple/plum

 

Uses

Recipes by rusbrot using thermophilic sd starter-

 

 

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SERGEY's 4 Day Clas

 

The recipe for Sergey's clas is at foodgeek (see also his Live Journal article).

It is a 4-5 day process.

To refresh takes 24 hrs at 40C.

Mix 50 gr clas with 180 gr ground rye and 270 gr water at 42C.

Hold it in a water with a temperature controller at 40-42C.

(You can also use a proofer.)

It may take 48-60 hr to get the plum fragrance and the reddish tinge.

See the crumb for 100% lean whole wheat loaf here.

 

 

 

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In the lean 100% whole wheat loaf baked in the Zojirushi in a 2000ml Pullman pan, the following amounts were used.

Range for rye flour from above sourdoughs:

   clas: 8% (above table)-12%;  for Predough-3%

   flas 18.9% (above)-28%

   TH-SD: 5% (above)

 

 

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THERMOS METHOD for making a "modified clas"- the hydration is 300% (cp to 190% in rusbrot formulas).

 

  • Warm a thermos with 50C water for 15 min. Empty it.
  • Pour 290 ml of 45C water and 10 ml of vinegar into thermos.
  • Use a funnel to add rye flours (75g whole rye and 25 gr wh wheat malt, both freshly ground).
  • Close thermos and shake vigorously to mix flour and water-no lumps.
  • (Optional- Set thermos in an ice chest with a large jar of boiling water.)
  • Shake the thermos about every 8 hr.
  • Check for pH < 4 in 24 h.

Keep in mind that the hydration of this "clas" is 300%.     | rye  | H2| H2| H2O |

If a recipe of 500g total flour contains 10% rye flour from clas (50 gr), then 200 gr of "modified clas" is needed to supply 50 gr. rye;  the liquid supplied is 150 gr.  Adjust total hydration accordingly.

 

A refresh using the thermos would only require 12 hr. 

 

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  Nothing like using fresh milled rye and green corn!  At the last moment I decided to add some 100% cherry juice in place of the some of the water and it really added a wonderful flavor to the overall bread.

I may have over proofed this one, but all in all it came out with a nice flavorful crust and open crumb. 

 It made for a great pastrami sandwich with melted muenster cheese.

Formula

Levain Directions 

Mix all the levain ingredients together for about 1 minute and cover with plastic wrap.  Let it sit at room temperature for around 6-7 hours or until the starter has almost doubled.  I used my proofer set at 76 degrees so it took around 5 hours for me.  Either use in the main dough immediately or refrigerate for up to 1 day before using.

 Main Dough Procedure

Mix the flour and liquids (leave about 50 -70 grams to add after the first mix), together in your mixer or by hand until it just starts to come together, maybe about 1 minute.  Let it rest in your work bowl covered for 20-30 minutes.  After 30 minutes or so  add the salt, starter (cut into about 7-8 pieces),  and olive oil, and remaining water as needed and mix on low for 5 minutes.   Note: If you are using the Ankarsrum mixer like I do, add your water to the bowl first then add in the flours.  After your autolyse add in the salt, remaining water and mix on low to medium low for 15-20 minutes.

Remove the dough from your bowl and place it in a lightly oiled bowl or work surface and do several stretch and folds.  Let it rest covered for 10-15 minutes and then do another stretch and fold.  Let it rest another 10-15 minutes and do one additional stretch and fold.  After a total of 1.5 hours place your covered bowl in the refrigerator and let it rest for 12 to 24 hours.

When you are ready to bake remove the bowl from the refrigerator and let it set out at room temperature still covered for 1.5 to 2 hours or if using a proofer set at 80 degrees for one hour.  Remove the dough and shape as desired and cover with a moist tea towel or plastic wrap Sprayed with cooking spray and let rise at room temperature for 1 1/2 – 2 hours.  (I use my proofer set at 80 F and it takes about 1 hour to 1.5 hours).

Around 45 minutes before ready to bake, pre-heat your oven to 500 degrees F. and prepare it for steam.  I have a heavy-duty baking pan on the bottom rack of my oven with 1 baking stone on above the pan and one on the top shelf.  I pour 1 cup of boiling water in the pan right after I place the dough in the oven.

After 1 minute lower the temperature to 450 degrees.  Bake for around 35 minutes or until the breads are nice and brown and have an internal temperature around 200-210 F. 

Take the bread(s) out of the oven when done and let them cool on a bakers rack for as long as you can resist. 

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We’re back down in Fort Lauderdale for 2.5 months and Alan was kind enough to share some of his starter with me, thank you Alan.  He also gave me some SAF gold and red IDY along with some whole rye.  Immediately I note how different his starter smells than mine.  Mine is fed 100% whole rye and has a much more sour smell.  This starter is fed KA AP I believe and is much less sour and a bit sweet smelling.

We had no bread so I thought I’d bake using Alan’s starter and to also gradually adjust my Hokkaido milk bread formula.  I’ve decided to use a 1:2 ratio of flour to milk for the tangzhong, this allows me to increase the percentage of flour in the tangzhong from 7 to 15%, the greatest I’ve tried so far.  From what I’ve recently read this should allow a great flavour improvement and texture improvement from the tangzhong.  If I was still using the 1:5 ratio at 15%, there wouldn’t be any liquid left for the dough mix since most if not all of the liquid for the dough would be in the tangzhong.

Despite the instructions below, I fully hand mixed and developed the dough.

For one 9x4x4” Pullman pan loaf.

 

Instructions

Levain

Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 300% growth. 

Press down with your knuckles or silicone spatula to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At a temperature of 76-78ºF, it typically takes up to 10-12 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.  For my starter I typically see 3-3.5 times increase in size at peak.  The levain will smell sweet with only a mild tang.

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on medium heat, stir the milk and whole wheat flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until well thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl.  Theoretically it should reach 65ºC (149ºF) but I don’t find I need to measure the temperature as the tangzhong gelatinizes at this temperature.  You can prepare this the night before and refrigerate it, ensure that it is covered to prevent it from drying out.

 

If you plan on using a stand mixer to mix this dough, set up a Bain Marie and use your stand mixer’s bowl to prepare the tangzhong.

 

Dough

In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk (consider holding back 10 g of milk and adding later if this is the first time you’re making this), egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain.  Mix and then break up the levain into many smaller pieces.  Next add the flours.  I like to use my spatula to mix until there aren’t many dry areas.  Allow the flour to hydrate (fermentolyse) for 20-30 minutes.  Mix on low speed and then medium speed until moderate gluten development this may take 5-10 mins.  You may want to scrape the sides of the bowl during the first 5 minutes of mixing.  Next add room temperature butter one pat at a time.  The dough may come apart, be patient, continue to mix until it comes together before adding in more butter.  Once all the butter has been added and incorporated increase the speed gradually to medium. Mix at medium speed until the gluten is well developed, approximately 10 mins.  You will want to check gluten development by windowpane during this time and stop mixing when you get a good windowpane.  You should be able to pull a good windowpane, not quite as good as a white flour because the bran will interrupt the windowpane somewhat. 

 

On the counter, shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 2 - 3 hours at 82ºF.  There should be some rise visible at this stage.

 

You can next place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier to shape.  Remember, if you do so the final proof will take longer.  Alternatively, you can do a cold retard in the fridge overnight, however, you may find that this increases the tang in your bread.

 

Prepare your pans by greasing them with butter or line with parchment paper.  

 

Lightly flour the top of the dough. Scrape the dough out onto a clean counter top and divide it into four. I like to weigh them to have equal sized lobes. Shape each tightly into a boule, allow to rest 5 mins. Using a rolling pin roll each ball out and then letterfold. Turn 90* and using a rolling pin roll each out to at least 8”. Letterfold again from the sides so you have a long narrow dough. Then using a rolling pin, roll flatter but keeping the dough relatively narrow.  The reason to do this extra letterfold is that the shorter fatter rolls when placed in the pan will not touch the sides of the pan.  This allows the swirled ends to rise during final proof, this is only done for appearance sake and is not necessary.  Next roll each into a tight roll with some tension. Arrange the rolls of dough inside your lined pan alternating the direction of the swirls. This should allow a greater rise during proof and in the oven.

 

Cover and let proof for  4-6 hours at a warm temperature.  I proof at 82°F.  You will need longer than 4-6 hours if you chilled your dough for shaping. I proof until the top of the dough comes to within 1 cm of the top edge of the pan.

 

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash.  Just prior to baking brush with the egg-milk wash again.

 

Bake the loaves for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190ºF, rotating as needed to get even browning. Shield your loaf if it gets brown early in the baking process. After 50 mins remove the bread from the pan and bake a further 10 mins by placing the loaf directly in the oven on the rack with the oven turned down to 325ºF. You can brush the top of the loaf with butter if you wish at this point while the bread is still hot to keep the top crust soft.

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