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HeiHei29er

This past weekend's bake was a new technique for me and I think it worked out pretty well.  The recipe is Oatmeal Bread from Bread (3rd Ed.).  I've made single loaves of this bread a couple of times, but it was always made straight through from start to finish.  This weekend was busy, so I did the mix on early Sunday morning and then followed Jeffrey Hamelman's recommendation to develop flavor with a straight dough and did a cold retard after 2 hours of room temperature bulk.  The dough had to be punched down numerous times and lesson learned...  Don't cold retard in a refrigerator that people will be in and out of all day.  I don't think the dough was kept at a low enough temperature to prevent rising.

The dough was shaped, proofed, and baked about 8-9 hours after initial refrigeration.  All spoken for, so no crumb shots.  Based on previous bakes with this bread, the crumb is typical of a sandwich type loaf.

Makes 1 loaf...

200g  AP Flour
100g  Bread Flour
100g  Whole Wheat Flour
240g  Water
44g    Whole Milk
8.8g   Himalayan Pink Salt
2.8g   ADY
30g   Honey
15g   Butter (softened)
15g   Roasted Black Walnut Oil
66g   Quick Oats

1)  Put water, milk, and honey in mixing bowl and add oats.  Let soak for 20-30 minutes to soften.
2)  Combine dry ingredients except ADY and whisk together.
3)  Combine butter and walnut oil in a small boil and mix with 30g flour mixture.  This will help get butter and oil evenly mixed in final dough.
4)  Dissolve ADY in water/oat mixture
5)  Combine all ingredients and mix to a shaggy dough.
6)  Fermentolyse: 15 minutes
6)  Develop dough to moderate gluten with bowl kneading (4 sets)
7)  Letter folds every 45 minutes
8)  Bulk ferment for 2 hours and then cold retard.  Punch down dough for the first few hours while in cold retard
9)  Shape and place in bannetons for final proof.
10)  Pre-heat oven to 450 deg F; Bake at 430 deg F (5 minutes), 415 deg F (5 minutes); 400 deg F (10 minutes); vent oven; 375 deg F (20-25 minutes)

idaveindy's picture
idaveindy

Mar. 7, 2022.   89th bake.

The goal here was to make a small enough boule to bake in my toaster oven, and use 300 grams of flour, not counting what's in the starter.

  • 30 g of Gold Medal bread flour, for some gluten to make up for the durum. 
  • 30 g of whole wheat durum, roller milled, Sher Brar Mills "Fiber Wala." 
  • 30 g of Golden Temple durum, red bag. 
  • 150 g of coarse home-milled whole grain Prairie Gold hard white spring wheat. 
  • 60 g of coarse home-milled whole grain hard red winter wheat, generic. 
  • 226 g bottled spring water, 75% hydration. 
  • 11:27 am - Finished mixing. 
  • 12:35 pm - kneaded  in 15 g water. 
  • 1:30 pm - kneaded in 15 g rye starter & 15 g bread flour starter, 100% hyd. 
  • 1:35 pm - kneaded in 10 g water with 5.5 g Himalayan salt. 
  • 1:44 pm - kneaded in 1/16 tsp instant dry yeast.  
  • after a while, kneaded some more. 
  • 3:42 pm - folded, shaped, put in 6" lined & dusted banneton, covered it with plastic film, and put in oven with light on. 
  • 5:04 pm - started bake at 400 F. Used a stone (below), and a cast iron plate (on top of it) with two steel chopsticks between them as a stand-off. Dough was scored and placed on the cast iron plate. Used bottom heat only for 20 min, then added  top heat, but bottom got done before top was well-browned.   
  • Final internal temp 209 F. 
  • Try to remember to bake at 350 F next time. 

No pics. It tasted too good.

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MTloaf

I was intrigued by Benitos recent bakes with a levain that contains brown sugar and decided to give it a go. It seemed to be a novel approach worth looking into. With many bakers around here pursuing Alt-sourdough lately I am surprised no one else has thrown their hat into the ring. Perhaps it turns away the purist or it's an aversion to sugar in the FWSY equation at least that was my thoughts.

I followed his overnight levain formula to the letter and my first surprise was that the so called 60% stiff WW levain was not stiff at all because the brown sugar acted more like water and the levain stirred up like a 100% starter. I put it in my new makeshift proofer and in the morning it was domed but flattened out shortly afterwards. I don't normally do an overnight levain build but rather a two stage build starting in the morning that ends up being shaped in the evening for an overnight proof in the fridge. For this bake I decide to just go straight through with a total time of around 7 hours from mixing to going into the oven

.levain proofed

I am using my typical country bread formula ala Tartine with a total flour of 450gr and 15% milled WW and a mixture of half BF and AP at +75% hydration. I got a little distracted and didn't do my normal interval kneading and early folding but after 4 and a half hours the dough was domed, had a jiggle to it. It seemed ready for shaping with bubbles on the surface and a sufficient increase in volume. The dough was billowy yet strong and was still on the move during the 30 minute bench rest after the pre shape. I felt pretty good that it was going to be a nice loaf. 

My oven regime that I have settled on for the oven in our new home is 480F on bake for the first 20 minutes on a stone with a Granite ware roasting pan cover and then change to convection bake at 450 for the remainder uncovered. The oven spring was greater than my previous bakes but there was a hump at the top that I feared would reveal a large bubble under the crust.

baked

My concern for the large hole in the crumb was confirmed when I cut into it and not only was there room for the baker to sleep but a spare room for the apprentice.

crumb

I don't think it was under-proofed but maybe I should have been a little more assertive during the pre shape. Perhaps it was from the lack of early folding but the large bubbles is something that hasn't happened to me in quite sometime.

The crust and crumb was light and soft and the flavor was not sour but I did detect a sweetness from the sugar and the toast made from it browned more than usual.

So that's it. I am going to try it again soon and I hope others will try it as well. Any technical questions should probably be directed towards Benny since it is his baby.

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idaveindy

Feb. 23-24, 2022. 88th bake.

This is my 7th bake based on Denisa's 100% rye recipe: 
www.thefreshloaf.com/node/67054/100-whole-grain-rye-sourdough-bread

6th submission to the Rye Community bake: 
https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/69775/community-bake-rye-bread?page=1#comment-504793

5th time with home-milled rye flour. 

Previous bakes in this series:  
www.thefreshloaf.com/node/70004/86th-bake-02162022-denisas-100-rye-take-6
www.thefreshloaf.com/node/69937/85th-bake-02082022-denisas-100-rye-take-5
www.thefreshloaf.com/node/69889/84th-bake-020422-denisas-100-rye-take-4
www.thefreshloaf.com/node/69816/83rd-bake-01282022-denisas-100-rye-take-3
www.thefreshloaf.com/node/69787/82nd-bake-01242022-denisas-100-rye-take-2
www.thefreshloaf.com/node/69634/78th-bake-01062022-100-rye 

This time I used 18 g of a very moist and soft gur/jaggery.

A tad over-fermented.

The Lodge cast iron loaf pan was greased with shortening, and dusted with cornmeal.

First picture was taken before the final proof.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

 

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yozzause

 This last weekend i  did a little trip into the countryside to an area known as the North Eastern Wheat belt here in Western Australia. It was a very good  harvest this year exceeding 20 million tonnes. The purpose of my trip wasn't to admire all the wide open empty spaces but to do a bit of bread baking tuition, Its fairly remote 236 km inland from Perth. I drove up one afternoon stayed at a great old Hotel and had a full days baking and stayed that  2nd night travelling home the following morning. It was a great weekend and a lot of fun for both parties but respecting privacy i wont be  reporting the events but i do have some pictures that i took  of the Hotel which will be celebrating its centenary in 2025 and also the grain silos across the road with the rail loading facilities

Just as the sun sank slowly in the west

and across the road is the grain terminal   

Anyway upon my return to civilisation, the following morning i was off early to the Big Loaf Bakery where the production Manager Peter and i were going to Mill some of the Red Wheat which we were kindly given to have a play with. we chose the winter variety ACCROC as it seemed harder than the spring variety BEAUFORT. the bigger mill did a great job with 4 chutes giving us a flour at one end and  bran at the other with intermediates in the middle. we were impressed with the aroma and the colour both of the bran and the flour. we milled enough to give us a dough for 9 loaves for our trial.

the bran end of the milling chutes

the flour end of the mill

Hydrating the flour

the s/d culture has been added

out of the oven

at home cooled and sliced

Quite amazed at the colour of the crumb  the taste was very good and the bread felt nice in the mouth and not at all chewy in fact it seemed to breakdown quite easily without much chewing effort required! 

The dough was made entirely from the Red Wheat with only salt and the S/D culture added I will need to get back to Peter to confirm the exact composition of the flour that we used as it came from the Mill as i did have to leave and pick up a bus for my Nephews work shop. we didnt do any measurements to get an extraction rate but did get a good indication of its character and behavior. Looking forward to finding out what Peter and Lachie think when they get to taste their loaves.

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Bicarr1

Having a hard time with pepperoni rolls rising after I fill them..  They come out more sticks than rolls.

If the pepperoni is cold could that be affecting the final proof? 

 

 

 

Also should I press out the first few inches thinner and cover over with the thicker dough?

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Martadella

Little experiment :

Flatbread with olive oil, hemp seeds, garlic, oregano and creamy cashew sauce 😋

 

I used Prairie Gold whole wheat white flour and refrigerated, unfed rye starter

400g whole grain white flour

290 g cold water

6g salt

20g old inactive rye starter

 

I made the dough at 7:30pm, kept something like 12 hours at 65°F, then about 5 hours in my oven with a light on. The dough was extremely soft and stretchy. Next time I plan to use more active starter and shorter fermentation time

Taste was very good, subtle and a little sweet with some yogurty notes. Texture slightly chewy, bread like, but still very pleasant. Very nice crunchy edges of the flatbread, with delicious thin crust 😋

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Isand66

 I made a version with purple sweet potatoes and no cheese a while ago which came out excellent so I figured I would give it a go but add some nice smoked Gruyere to change it up a bit. I actually thought I was using purple sweet potatoes but silly me didn’t realize I had baked yellow/white sweet potatoes. I actually enjoy eating these better than the purple ones which tend to be a bit dry, but of course you lose out on the purple color.

The whole wheat was milled and sifted twice using my MockMill 200 and a #30 and #40 drum sifter. The spelt I sifted once using the #30 and re-milled the second time on the finest setting with the stones just starting to touch. This really gives you a nice fine flour that’s not gritty at all.

I decided to add some cheese to the levain to change things up a bit. I’m not sure if it helped or hindered anything but the cheese flavor certainly is nice and pronounced throughout the bread. I added cubed cheese to the main dough since I wanted to really get some nice chunks in each slice. You could certainly grate the cheese and add it that way and it still will be tasty.

The final dough ended up sitting in the refrigerator for over 36 hours since I ended up getting called into work on Saturday expectantly so I wasn’t able to bake the bread until today, Sunday morning. The dough seemed to hold up pretty well all things considering. It may have been a tad over fermented but the crumb was okay and the flavor was excellent. This will make a great sandwich and go along with

 

Levain Directions

Mix all the levain ingredients together  for about 1 minute and cover with plastic wrap.  Let it sit at room temperature for around 7-8 hours or until the starter has doubled.   You can use it immediately in the final dough or let it sit in your refrigerator overnight.

 Main Dough Procedure

After milling your flours add the starter to the water in the bowl of your mixer and break it up. Reserve about 30-50 grams of water to add after the autolyse.

 

Mix the flour with the water and starter for a minute and mix until just incorporated. Cover the dough and let it sit at room temperature for 30-60 minutes. Next add the rest of the ingredients and mix on low for 12 minutes (I use an Ankarsum mixer but if using a different mixer I would suggest mixing for around 4-5 minutes). Note: If your dough is not too wet add as much of the reserved water or more as needed.

Remove the dough from your bowl and place it in a lightly oiled bowl or work surface and do several stretch and folds.  Let it rest covered for 10-15 minutes and then do another stretch and fold.  Let it rest another 10-15 minutes and do one additional stretch and fold.  After a total of 2 hours place your covered bowl in the refrigerator and let it rest for 12 to 24 hours.  (Since I used my proofer set to 79 degrees F. I only let the dough sit out for 1.5 hours before refrigerating).

When you are ready to bake remove the bowl from the refrigerator and let it set out at room temperature still covered for 1.5 to 2 hours.  Remove the dough and shape as desired.

The dough will take 1.5 to 2 hours depending on your room temperature and will only rise about 1/3 it’s size at most.  Let the dough dictate when it is read to bake not the clock.

Around 45 minutes before ready to bake, pre-heat your oven to 540 degrees F. and prepare it for steam.  I have a heavy-duty baking pan on the bottom rack of my oven with 1 baking stone on above the pan and one on the top shelf.  I pour 1 cup of boiling water in the pan right after I place the dough in the oven.

Right before you are ready to it in the oven, score as desired and then add 1 cup of boiling water to your steam pan or follow your own steam procedure.

Lower the temperature to 450 degrees.  Bake for 35-50 minutes until the crust is nice and brown and the internal temperature of the bread is 205 degrees.

Take the bread out of the oven when done and let it cool on a bakers rack before for at least 2 hours before eating.

 

  
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headupinclouds

 A date yeast water pizza crust with delayed fermentation from [here]

Mixed up a dough for pizza with 572 g of CM artisan bread flour, 411 g date and apple yeast water, 12 g salt, 20 g EVOO, and 10 g SD (as a hedge).  70 turns in the food processor + some Rubaud then in the fridge.  I'm curious how that will compare to the 3 g of yeast called for in BBA.

This took a *very* long time to ferment, with several failed attempts to get the proof going before dinner, after which I returned the dough to the fridge.  It was in the fridge for 1 week in total before I managed to time the wake up properly and make dinner.  Surprisingly the dough had no degradation.

In the initial mix, the dough developed (e.g., the gluten) very quickly, perhaps because of the acids from the DYW.  It was an interesting learning experience, as I have not experimented with dough conditioners, which I suspect have a similar effect.  At the time of shaping (after 1 week), the dough was still very elastic, and did not display any signs of breakdown or improved extensibility that is associated with the traditional IDY variant.

It took a very long time to shape this highly elastic dough, which took some force.  It was not a particularly notable crust, but a decent pizza overall, with Maitake mushrooms, olives, artichoke hearts, and cultured plant based cheeses. 

It was an interesting experiment, although if I were to use yeast water again, I would try it with more the more traditional one or two stage levain.

 

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headupinclouds

Another young vs ripe levain comparison for a desem culture maintained at 60 F.  At this time I was feeding 2x daily at roughly 5:3:5. This is a tortoise vs hare race.  The mature levains take an early lead, and the young levain eventually catches up with a sprint at the end. 

  • mix 250 g flour at 66% hydration w/ 2% salt
  • 90 turns in food processor total
  • 20 turns to mix levains
  • yellow: pH 4.55; 25:125  2% salt
  • blue: pH 3.8; 25:125 2% salt

11:00 start

17:05: blue takes early lead

19:17: blue has peaked and is starting to fall

 

20:18: yellow is already the winner 

21:42: yellow starting to fall

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