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headupinclouds

Occasionally I end up with small portions of the sames starter in various states and thought it would be useful to to document leveaning capability of the levain as a function of pH, given similar maintenance.

I have been leaning more on pH for maintenance and tuning of my desem cultures.  While the standard volume increase still provides some feedback, small changes in hydration in the 50-60% range can have a significant impact on the dough strength and the ability for CO2 to expand it, and it is difficult to separate the dough properties from starter properties when observing it in a jar.  It seems pH has the potential to be a more hydration invariant measure of maturity, although I'm sure it isn't a magic solution, as I suspect there are many ways the same culture can arrive at the same pH with different microbe states -- a starter that was refreshed 12 hours ago and has reached a pH of X is different than a more acidic starter that has just been fed with a whole wheat to achieve the same pH of X due to buffering of the flour. Since what we ultimately care about is the ability of the starter to leaven dough, I tried a very quick (and very casual) experiment comparing the same culture with 3 different final builds that resulted in slightly different pH values (all maintained at 58 F): (1) build N (yellow band) at close to 2:1:2 after 24 hours with a pH of 4.08; (2) build N+1 (feed of N) at 2:1:2 (red) after approximately 12 hours; (3) build N+1 which was the same as (2) but with a little extra hydration for faster fermentation, maybe 20:13:20 or similar.  I mixed bread flour with 2% salt at a fairly stiff hydration in the food processor, and split it into 3 equal 150 gram portions.  I inoculated each of the 3 portions with a separate 15 g sample from each of the different starters (not equal % PFF, but close).  I tried to be as consistent as I could.  It was a couple of weeks ago, but I believe I folded it in by hand and continued mixing each one in the food processor for a similar time period or number of turns.  I was primarily interested in how much variation there would be across starters, rather than trying to making any conclusions about a best pH from a single experiment.  This was thrown together in the morning, using an old bag of Gold Medal flour that I wouldn't use for bread at this point and I felt comfortable sacrificing it.  Progress was documented during the day by photos.  It could be a starting point for more carefully controlled and repeated experiments.  I also wanted to test the volume increase of my LKBB desem culture.  The two younger (higher pH) starters (blue and red) both started faster, but the two lowest pH starters (yellow and blue) had the highest rise, with blue resulting in the largest increase overall.

Of course there is a lot that could be improved here, but it is interesting that there were fairly similar, when considered in relation to the impact of dough handling and fermentation in an actual bake.  I would guess the younger (12 hour pH 4.3) starter might have the potential to produce a slightly more aerated loaf, despite the slightly lower % PFF relative to the stiffer red version.  They all started at the same height (same weight within a gram or so), but the initial photo was taken after initial signs of fermentation.

 

 

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caryn

I have once again decided to document my bakes. I think I did not do this correctly a few moments ago, so here is a link to my last entry where I added my latest bake and explain what I did.  https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/57785/multigrain-loaf-la-dmsnyder

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Ming

This is basically a repeat of last week's loaf with 50% wholegrain but with about 30% of the water replaced with sourwort. If your goal of getting an open crumb with sourwort then I would say you might be disappointed. As shown, the crumb is more and less the same with and without sourwort. Fortunately, that is not the reason I like sourwort, I was after it for some additional aromas and flavors and I think it did deliver which obviously not showable here. This is my first official baguette bake with sourwort so it is possible I still have not unlocked its potential. Regardless, I am happy with using sourwort and will continue to use it since it will be a SD starter replacement for me to get my bread some mild sourness. 

Here is the link that I baked last week without sourwort: 

50% wholegrain baguette with 25% red fife 25% WW 50% bread | The Fresh Loaf

Here is the link about making sourwort also called FLAS:

How I make 'sourwort' | The Fresh Loaf

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Benito

I’ve made my country sourdough recipe numerous times in the past, but I’m always tinkering with my formulas. This time I employed both a stiff sweet levain (I didn’t want this bread to be sour) and I also added an egg. The addition of the egg is said to improve oven spring and may help with achieving a thinner crispier crust given the additional fat. An egg is approximately 74% water so if you’re adding an egg to one of your formulas reduce the hydration by 74% of the weight of the egg that you add assuming you wish to maintain the hydration.

Overnight levain
15 g starter + 21 g brown sugar + 27 g water + 45 g whole wheat flour
Ferment 78°F overnight

Stiff sweet levain at peak

 

In the morning mix 1 lg egg and 324 g water. Add salt and all the stiff sweet levain. Breakdown and attempt to dissolve the levain.
Add whole wheat and whole rye flours. Then finally add bread flour and mix until no dry flour remains. Measure pH
Fermentolyse for 20 to 30 mins.
Knead dough well until at least moderate gluten development, can use French folds or stand mixer.
Do a bench letter fold. Extract aliquot jar doughs one for rise and one for pH.
Every 30 mins thereafter do coil folds until the dough is strong and holds its shape well.
Rest for the remainder of bulk until an aliquot jar rise of 40-50% the shape the dough. Follow the pH to ensure that the pH isn’t falling too much allowing gluten degradation.
Once shaped place in banneton. Allow further bench proofing until rise of 80-90% before either baking or overnight cold retard.

Pre-heat oven to 500°F with cast iron skillet in the oven and set up for open steam baking.
30 mins prior to baking, pour 1 L of boiling water into metal loaf pan with Sylvia towel and place on baking steel on the lowest rack of the oven.
Once oven reaches 500ºF turn dough out of banneton, brush excess rice flour off, score and then brush with water. Transfer to oven. Pour 250 mL of boiling water into the cast iron skillet on a high shelf, high enough that the dough have fully bloom. Drop temperature to 450ºF and bake with steam for 25 mins. Then vent oven and remove all steaming gear and drop temperature to 425ºF. Bake for another 25-30 mins rotating as needed.

The stiff sweet levain did create a less acid dough. The dough started with a pH of 5.88 after mixing which is quite high for a dough with so little whole grain. At the time of cold retard the pH had fallen to only 5.34. Typically I would see a fall of between 1.1 to 1.3 at this point.

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HeiHei29er

English Muffin Toasting Bread

I was asked by a friend...
"How about making an English Muffin Bread?"

"Not sure.  I've never made English Muffins."

"No.  An English Muffin Bread.  It's good for toast."

"Hmmm...  Never heard of it.  Let me do some digging and get back to you."

A Google search and a few mouse clicks brought me to the recipe for English Muffin Toasting Bread on the King Arthur website.  Made the initial test bake today.  I followed the recipe verbatim, so I won't repeat it here.  The only difference was using a Pullman pan instead of a standard 8.5" x 4.5" bread pan.  I couldn't let it rise over the lip of the Pullman, so I let it rise until I saw the first couple holes appear on the surface of the dough.  Easy recipe and actually smells really good for being such a short ferment.

 

20% Barley with Cracked Wheat

Another barley variant.  Sourdough this time with a barley flour/cracked wheat soaker.  This is the first bake using the starter cultured from the honey YW sediment.  It had been in the refrigerator for a few days but still had great gluten structure, so I decided to use it in a levain without refreshing.  I increased the inoculation a bit (just in case) to account for possible sluggish performance on the levain build.  I did an overnight build and the levain looked good after 11 hours at 70 deg F.  Bulk fermentation was really slow and had only reached 75% after 6 hours.  Final shaping was round and the final proof was stopped at 2 hours.  The dough had risen some but not what I was expecting.  However, it had some decent jiggle to it and easily passed the poke test, so I proceeded to the bake.  I did get some decent oven spring and overall, I'm happy with the loaf.  Smells tangy, has a great profile, and should make some good sandwiches.  To me, it looks a little tight and underproofed....

 

 

 

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Martadella

I was looking through my archives and thought this simple formula was worth saving and sharing 

Preferment:

1/1/1 (by weight) starter/water/flour

Mix in a transparent container, let ferment in a lukewarm place until bubbly, move to cooler place,  let ferment until the top starts falling and the smell is acidic

Average ferment time 12-16 hours 

Dough:

1/1/1 (by weight) preferment/water/flour

Salt, as needed

Mix, bulk ferment in warm place until nicely expanded and gets crackly on surface, on average 1-2 hour

 

Place in pan, cover, proof until cracked bubbles start showing on surface, about 45-60 minutes 

 

Dock, if desired. Brush with water or thinned dough

Bake in preheated oven in descending temperature 475/425/375°F

Exact baking time will depend on the size of your loaf, on average 45-60 minutes

trailrunner's picture
trailrunner

Same formula. used Danko rye from Barton Springs. Very very happy with all their grains that I have ground so far. . Timing for rise was unfortunately messed up because I fell asleep! Anyway successful as this is a forgiving dough. Fragrance and . Flavor amazing. This rye is very rich. Crumb has a bit of compression. Due to over rising and top catching on it. 

 

yozzause's picture
yozzause

"Can you make those mock cream buns like we used too get at the school canteen" Yes i can: SO i did: And they were, only better: i had hoped the requesters (twins) were going to turn up in their school uniforms for the occasion. they said they would have if they could have squeezed into them. Anyway the whole Fit for Life group enjoyed them with their coffees today. The mock cream was made with 100g of caster sugar 78 grams of water bought to the boil and simmered for 5 minutes stirring the whole time. Then cooled. 225g i used 250g (whole pkt) of unsalted butter whipped till quite white then half a tea spoon of vanilla essence and drizzle in the cold syrup whilst still whipping. i was surprised to find that the old Ras Plum jam is still available from Bakels in 15kg tins, i opted for just a jar of plum jam. The ladies thought that was a mistake, i said i'd never use it all, they assured me they would do their bit and help each week! So there we have OLD SCHOOL CREAM BUNS revisited 50 years on.

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gavinc

Pullman Bread baked today, 4th Feb 2022.

This is Hamelman’s Pullman Bread, a straight dough that can be mixed and baked the same day with no pre-ferments. It is perfect for sandwiches. I mixed a 1 kg dough suitable for my 330-mm (13-inch) pan with the lid. The entire process took about 5 hours. Very happy with the result. I’ll let it cool and slice it later tonight.

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alcophile

This Pumpernickel bread is from a German bread book Brot backen für jedermann (Bread baking for everyone). The formula is similar to Lutz Geißler’s Hütten-Pumpernickel. The dough consists of fine, medium, and coarse rye meals (Bay State Milling's Wingold), water, salt, and rye sour culture. One of the main differences from Lutz’s process is that the coarse rye meal (Roggenschrot grob) is scalded in this recipe instead of the medium rye meal. An interesting requirement for Pumpernickel is that it must be baked for at least 16 hours to be considered Pumpernickel.

The fine rye meal has an overnight sponge at 22 °C and the coarse rye meal is scalded with twice its weight of boiling water with added salt.

 

The sponge and scald are combined with medium rye meal and more water in the final dough. The dough was mixed a total of 25 minutes to break down the meals. Using wet hands on a wet surface, it was formed into a log and placed in an 8.5×4.5×2.5″ bread pan and smoothed with a wet spatula. The pan was then placed into an oven roasting bag (some online translators have problems with the German word Bratschlauch and translate it to “frying hose”) and proofed for ≈2.5 hours. I had planned to go 3 hours but I started to see pinholes in the dough.

Panned   Proofed

I had planned to go 3 hours but I started to see pinholes in the dough. The bread was baked for 1 hour at 120 °C and 1 h at 100 °C in a regular gas oven. Even though the lowest setpoint on the oven 170 °F, the actual oven temperature was close to 200 °F after 1 hour and the oven was cycling on and off. The pan in the roasting bag was transferred to a toaster oven that could maintain the desired 80 °C (175 °F). I placed pans above and below the bag to shield it from the toaster oven elements. The final 15 h at 80 °C was finished in the toaster oven.

In toaster oven

After cooling to room temperature, the loaf was stored in a plastic bag for 2 days before slicing. I was surprised that it had lost 15% of its weight, despite being sealed in the bag during the bake. I was also surprised that the crumb was very sticky and left heavy deposits on the knife used for cutting. The flavor mellowed after several more days but the sourness dominated the early slices. I would add some malt or sweetener on the next loaf.

The worst shock was the amount of corrosion that the baking pan incurred. I first thought it was dried dough, but on washing realized that it was rust. I reread some of the comments on Lutz’s Hütten-Pumpernickel recipe and found that several bakers had the same problem. I’m glad I didn’t use my favorite USA Pullman pan. I’ll need a wood baking form or a silicone pan if I plan on baking this again.

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